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Did Barack Obama Violate the Illinois Governmental Ethics Act?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by ling ling, Oct 20, 2008.

  1. ling ling

    ling ling Member

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    Just wondering. Haven't heard any MSM news on it yet.
     
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  3. IROC it

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    So... any news?


    BTW- ling ling... care to share your views on it as a discussion starter?


    That is why you get the panda pic treatment...

    You must state a view, based on facts, and give links to support your assertion... at least some of the time.

    I've never looked into it... but my guess is, you assert that Obama indeed has violated this Act.


    Help us out here.

    Show us.


    TIA
     
  4. vlaurelio

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    FAUX NEWS: Is Obama a terrorist?
     
  5. halfbreed

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    Did Obama rip out the beating heart of a newborn baby and eat it?

    I haven't heard the MSM discuss it. Thoughts?
     
  6. Bandwagoner

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    that panda is almost 50% black therefore i consider him black therefore making fun of him like you have is racist therefore you are a racist. racist.
     
  7. rocketsjudoka

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    For what?
     
  8. ling ling

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    The Press is all over Joe the plumer's tax returns, but what about Barack's?

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    Paul Caron has Barack and Michelle Obama’s tax returns on his website (tip to Instapundit). The first thing that jumped out is that in some years Barack received no speaking fees or honoraria. Apparently, as an Illinois state legislator through 2004, Barack was prohibited from taking honoraria for speaking under the Illinois Governmental Ethics Act.

    But what about Barack Obama’s 2000 and 2002 tax returns?

    2000: On his 2000 Schedule C-EZ, Barack reported that he received $16,500 as a “Foundation director/Educational speaker.”

    2001: On his 2001 Schedule C-EZ, Barack reported $98,158 from a Chicago law firm, Miner, Barnhill, for “Legal services/attorney” (and nothing for speaking).

    2002: On his 2002 Schedule C, Barack reported $34,491 for “LEGAL SERVCES / SPEAKING FEES.”

    These “speaking fees” are in addition to the amounts that Barack was paid as an employee, a lecturer at the University of Chicago, reported on the first page of his 1040s.

    The Illinois Governmental Ethics Act (apparently last changed in 1995) provides:
    (5 ILCS 420/2-110)

    Sec. 2-110. Honoraria.

    (a) No member of the General Assembly shall accept any honorarium.

    (b) As used in this Section:

    "Honorarium" means a payment of money to a member of the General Assembly for an appearance or speech, excluding any actual and necessary travel expenses incurred by the member of the General Assembly (and one relative) to the extent that those expenses are paid by any other person. "Honorarium" does not include (i) cash payments made on behalf of a member of the General Assembly to an organization described under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, (ii) an agent's fee or commission, or (iii) funds reported under Article 9 of the Election Code [i.e., campaign contributions].

    "Travel expense" means the reasonable cost of transportation and the reasonable cost of lodging and meals incurred while a person is away from his or her residence or principal place of employment.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2081574/posts
     
  9. pgabriel

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    so what was the speaking engagement he was paid for? I don't think the law means he can't take money for any speeches, just the ones in capacity as a law maker.
     
  10. rocketsjudoka

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    Without knowing much about IL law it seems like a case could be made that Obama's speaking fees are in violation of the IL ethics act forbidding legislators from taking honaria but I suspect there is probably a loophole there regarding what capacity you are speaking in.

    I would say this appears questionable but wouldn't call it something more without seeing more.
     
  11. SamFisher

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    What? you mean you wouldn't give credence to a random unsourced unattributed post from the FREEPER forums? Wow, talk about a cynic... :rolleyes:
     
  12. Fatty FatBastard

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    I'm sorry, but the constant panda images every time ling ling posts are hilarious.
     
  13. B-Bob

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    Maybes we gets his tax returz like Al Kapono!
     
  14. Rashmon

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    No but he's in a heap'a more trouble in Mississippee...

    Southern Sheriff Pulls Over Obama Campaign Bus For Broken Taillight

    October 13, 2008

    FOXWORTH, MS—Despite obeying the posted speed limit and having all inspection, registration, and insurance documentation up to date, Sen. Barack Obama's campaign bus was stopped for nearly four hours by Marion County deputy sheriff Dewey Clutter while en route to a Jackson, MS speech, sources reported Tuesday.

    According to those on board the bus—including various journalists, members of the Secret Service, and Obama campaign staffers—several minutes passed before Clutter exited his cruiser. Witness statements all mention hearing the sheriff's jackbooted footsteps along the gravel roadside as he slowly approached the vehicle's passenger side. These reports also assert that, prior to reaching the front of the campaign bus, the sheriff paused momentarily to smash the right rear taillight of the bus before dragging his still-drawn baton along the entire length of the vehicle.

    "Where's the fire, son?" Clutter, 42, was overheard saying to the Illinois senator and 2008 Democratic presidential nominee. "Driving like that in these parts, what with a busted taillight and all, fella like you liable to get hisself into a whole mess a trouble."

    Obama protested briefly before Clutter interrupted the graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, brusquely informing the senator that he could "detain [Obama's] uppity ass for 48 hours without charging [him] with ****."

    "Huh. Illinois," Clutter said while scrutinizing Obama's driver's license from behind a pair of mirrored aviator sunglasses. "You a long way from home, ain't ya?"

    "Now Barry, someone 'bout your height, 'bout your skin color knocked over a Piggly Wiggly up in New Hebron just a coupla hours ago," Clutter continued. "But you wouldn't know nothin' 'bout that, now would you?"

    Clutter then turned to Obama's wife, Michelle, looked her up and down, and wiped his mouth with a handkerchief.

    After questioning the New York Times best-selling author and presidential frontrunner for several minutes about his business in Mississippi and politely asking the Caucasian women on the bus if they were all right, Clutter claimed that he smelled mar1juana smoke and initiated a search.

    According to Clutter's police report, the sheriff then ordered everyone to exit the bus and to place their hands on the side of the vehicle. Clutter then reentered the campaign bus, emerging a few moments later with a stack of documents.

    "Well, well, would you looky here. If it ain't Barry's comprehensive plan for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq," said Clutter, setting the proposal on fire with a lit cigarette while blowing smoke in Obama's face. "Smart, well-dressed boy like you, I'd a-thought you'd take better care of your things."

    "Now ain't that a shame," Clutter added.

    Following the search, witnesses said that Clutter allowed everyone back onto the vehicle with the exception of the senator. Twenty minutes later, a visibly agitated Obama climbed aboard the bus. He reportedly refused to discuss what had happened, and instructed the driver to continue on to Jackson.

    According to Obama insiders, this is not the first time on the campaign trail that the former president of the Harvard Law Review has had to deal with this type of treatment. While attending a rally in Savannah, GA, Obama was closely followed around the town hall by several armed guards to ensure that he didn't steal anything, and the senator reportedly had trouble canvassing voters in Baton Rouge, LA after everyone he approached crossed to the opposite side of the street.

    "Sen. Obama has been incredibly patient and courageous during this election," campaign chief of staff Jim Messina said while looking nervously over his shoulder. "Despite some setbacks, we feel that we've made incredible progress."

    "It's a new day in America," Messina added.

    http://www.theonion.com/content/news/southern_sheriff_pulls_over_obama
     
  15. rimrocker

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    Honorarium? Sounds scary and vaguely terroristical. In fact, here's the definition:
    Meaning, you don't go and talk to people in your capacity of a legislator and have them pay you for the privilege. You can, however, go and talk about the book you wrote or the legal work you do and have them pay you for your time.

    Obama's tax returns have been in the public realm for awhile now and have been gone over by news organizations. If there was anything there, we would have heard about it. He did do legal work during that time frame and I fail to see the importance of restating that known fact.

    Much ado about nothing.
     
  16. wnes

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    Well, the audacity of hope fans sure don't want to preclude Sheriff Clutter from having his Officer John Ryan's moment:

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  17. DFWRocket

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    Careful, some people on this board will take "onion" articles for truth.
     
  18. rocketsjudoka

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    Well call me a Missouri license plate then... ;)
     

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