<a href="http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10019-2001Mar1.html#homepage2">Taliban says Destruction of Statues has Begun</a> <blockquote>ISTANBUL, March 1 — Afghanistan’s ruling Taliban Islamic militia said today that its troops had begun destroying all statues in the country—including the world’s two tallest standing Buddhas, hewn from a rock cliff 1600 years ago. Carrying out an edict that stunned the world of archeology and cultural preservation and unleashed a global outpouring of protest after it was issued on Monday, the radical Islamic group said tanks, rocket launchers and “any means available” would be employed to demolish the statues, which were deemed to violate the tenets of Islam. Some have stood sentry over history stretching from the conquests of Alexander the Great and Genghis Khan to the Great Games of the British and Russian empires and the intrigues of the Cold War. </blockquote> This is VERY disappointing. ------------------ What can change the nature of a man?
Beyond disappointing, I think it's disgusting. ------------------ This space available for something funny or witty...
This is what happens when 'religion' runs a country. It is terrible. Statues that are centuries old, blown to bits. freakin' idiots. rH ------------------ Homecourt will always be 'The Summit' to me!! Until we move downtown!! The Psychedelic Groove House of Rockets Basketball Love! Come and chat with us on game nights in CC.net chat!
It disgusts me how these renegade Muslims find ways to justify their actions. Most, or all of them despise Americans and hope to see the map of the world colored with "green" in the near future. The bad thing is that more people are siding with Suddaam and Bin Laden now, because they oppose Americans, and they think somehow we are an enemy. ------------------
Destroying defensless historical items pisses me off to know end! ------------------ In the end there will be no judges...only witnesses to my greatness.
http://home.webmaster.com/view.cgi?file=707189 Well apparently the destruction of the statues is almost complete by the morons. What the hell is taking them so long? Are they using firecrackers? Utter stupidity. ------------------ "I was arrested for sexual assault involving an elderly man and I was out in 35 minutes." -- Achebe - programmer by day, geriatric ass grabber by night. As(s?) a side note, he did state he was cleared of charges.
what about all those lives lost, screwed up, and destroyed in the name of democracy by america in russia, germany, etc etc. at least these are just statues, not humans. this criticism from the same ppl that nuked japan. why do we support sanctions on iraq (on HUMANITARIAN AID) that is killing kids every day. we do all this in the name of the american belief of 'democracy' but when someone of a different belief (islam is a political AS WELL AS religious system) destroys a couple of stone statues for ther beliefs, we go nuts. you guys need to get your priorities straight ---and its not just a muslim thing, te story of gideon in the bible also supports the destroying of statues. ------------------ http://members.fortunecity.com/omar369
those idiots are killing each other too though jamma34. BTW, is there a belief in Islam that you're supposed to throw rocks at people if you disagree w/ them? Or are you supposed to kill them merely if they're on the other side of some other faith's religious artifacts? What a bunch of idiots. Extremism in religion is never a good thing. ------------------ git it tag, git it!
Did you know that statues and other valuable archaeological material is being destroyed EVERY SINGLE DAY in countries all over the world INCLUDING the U.S.??? Wake up! The single biggest problem facing archaeologists today is the destruction of sites in the name of capitalism. That's right, people are LOOTING sites day in and day out to pull out pretty artifacts for the morons in the art world or the ignorant people willing to buy a genuine arrowhead or stone tool. Where is the public outcry for the destruction of priceless archaeological information? The only reason this is getting such a high profile is because of who is doing the destruction. Not that I support the Taliban, but come on. No one cares if looters come in to Native American grave sites with a bulldozer just to pull out a few pots. Who cares if a few skeletons are disturbed as long as they get their pots or gold or ART. ------------------ Poopy!
I'm bashing the subject Ali, not the faith (I digressed about the rocks thing, but that's just b/c the rocks thing is silly). I totally agree that the US should support/protect its own archaeological history as well. A few questions though, aren't archaeologists hired in the US by development groups to protect against the accidental destruction of artifacts? Also, growth is a worldly thing, not specific to capitalism. People demand to live w/ their own private land, w/ a road that gets them out to their house, etc. etc. That happens in most every country, socialist, capitalist, military dictatorship, etc. People take up space, so they turn up dirt and take over places where people of course lived during the past. What's happening in Afghanistan, regardless of the yummy food , is an assault against another religion. Muslims get off too easy, IMO (I realize that most Arab nations don't support the Taliban, but I'm talking about US born Muslims). You can't question crap they do b/c of some cultural relativist bs, or worse someone labels you a eurocentric racist or some crap. Example: The Southern Baptists said horrible things about the Mormons. Most of the US was quiet. What would have happened had the Southern Baptists officially said crap about Islam? What they're doing is wrong. If there are other wrong things going on elsewhere, let's talk about those things too... but not as an excuse for some other group's idiocy. ------------------ git it tag, git it!
What hypocrisy. Unbelievable. Thousands of Iraqi children have died due to United States supported sanctions. Thousands more suffer from malnutrition. The United States sends $4 billion in aid annually to the state of Isreal so that they can turn right around and slaughter Palestinians. People all across the globe are dying and no one gives a damn. The Taliban destroys a couple of lifeless statues and we have World War III on our hands. Disgusting.
I disagree with you about Muslims having it easy in America. Whenever conflict involves Muslims it's always negative, they're seen as being evil in the media. During the conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians can you remember anytime the Israeli's did anything wrong? The palestinians aren't innocent, but neither are the Israeli's. You'd never know that though if you watch the news in America. As far as the destruction of these statues, I think that's horrible, but like what Ali said, there's alot more horrible and atrocious things going on that we never hear about or that we choose to ignore. ------------------ Rarely has one player outplayed another the way Olajuwon outplayed David Robinson in their famed playoff series in the same season that Robinson was the league's most valuable player. That for me, was the performance of a truly great player. -Pulitzer Prize-winning author David Halberstam
achebe: perhaps I misunderstood you, but did you just say that muslims get off easy? American media will jump at every opportunity to paint its anti-Islamic portrait. Kinda funny how every time you hear of some terrorist act, they find a way to tag on the line "allegedly, Osama bin laden was involved.." even when there is zero evidence to support that statement. I'm not even going to get into the unfair handling of the Isreal-Palestine conflict. ------------------ It is no rumor that Matthew Bullard is 30th on the NBA's <i><b>all-time</i></b> 3 point accuracy list.
Gee thacabbage, are you sure that you don't want to mention the fact that many Americans drive SUVs or how McDonalds is destroying rain forests in South America? What they're doing is wrong. If there are other wrong things going on elsewhere, let's talk about those things too [addition: hell, even start a new thread]... but not as an excuse for some other group's idiocy. There's no connection between the US's stance (dying stance, but I digress) towards Sadaam and this group's destruction of some other group's ancient artifacts. If there are secret premises that I don't see, let me know. bgm: this is what I was kind of alluding too about not being able to discuss Islamic issues rationally. I used to overreach on issues of white/black racism in much the same way... just because it's so damn emotional. I do agree w/ the rest of your post. ------------------ git it tag, git it!
i cant belive im responding to this BS, but... achebe, yes, we throw rocks, when the freakin israelis are firing ANTI TANK MISSILES AT YOU AND YOU HAVE NOTHING ELSE EXCEPT ROCKS, you throw the rocks. what do you want them to do instead, stand on their heads or something? ------------------ http://members.fortunecity.com/omar369
thacabbage, that was probably an inflammatory thing that I shouldn't have written. I've just noticed that w/ alot of my peers that it is difficult to discuss issues of US/Arab Nation relations. I've gotten numb biting my tongue listening to one of my wife's friends from Sudan defend anything and everything that people even from Pakistan or Afghanistan do. Sorry if my previous post was in any way offensive or patronizing or whatever. ------------------ git it tag, git it!
Simply because I condemn one doesn't mean I condone the other. That's stupid logic. The above statement is so stupid, I'll just move on... no wait... let me make this seem even stupider. When the US nuked Japan, they were in the midst of a war. When those idiots wrecked statues hundreds of years old, they were at war with what? The effin' mountainside?! Simple. To use your (grammatically and typographically butchered) statement : "...at least there are just statues". Iraq threatened war and lives. Those statues threatened which country? I must've missed it... How about we reverse the question and ask why morons like So Damn Insane and Ka Daffy Duck continue to put their people at risk by going to war? As do the idiots attacking statues. DUH. ---and I never said it was. It's more of an "idiot" thing. Why are you making this out to be a Bible vs. Muslim thing? I couldn't care less what the Bible said. The Bible also said "an eye for an eye"... sure... let's all go kill one another. Quit turning this into some kind of religious debate between Christians and Muslims. There are enough jackasses in the Middle East and in our government doing that. ...proof-positive that people will do anything, no matter how stupid, in the name of religion ------------------ "I was arrested for sexual assault involving an elderly man and I was out in 35 minutes." -- Achebe - programmer by day, geriatric ass grabber by night. As(s?) a side note, he did state he was cleared of charges. [This message has been edited by Dr of Dunk (edited March 10, 2001).]
achebe, the point here is this: why is the us so damn focused on the taleban knocking out a couple of statues? why is everyone so critical of that when there's more pressing things going on, like the slaughter of actualy human LIFE in iraq? a couple of stone statues shouldnt be getting this much attention. in fact, whether or not that 14 year old kid gets clemency is a much more important issue than this. the taliban is a sovereign nation, ruling under their beliefs, and if that means destroyig statues, so be it. its not america's job to impose its will and culture on every single nation on the planet (altho its pretty damn close to it already) ------------------ http://members.fortunecity.com/omar369
jamma34, I'm apparently not getting my point across (and should therefore leave the thread. ). Aren't there people dying during the dismantling of the statues because people encircle the statues, throw rocks at the statues and then kill the people on the other side? ------------------ git it tag, git it!
I've always been against defacing or disturbing burial sites. From Native American sites to ancient Egyptian sites. I find Egyptology very fascinating, but at the same time disgusting because so much of it revolves around the disturbing of religious sites. ------------------ "I was arrested for sexual assault involving an elderly man and I was out in 35 minutes." -- Achebe - programmer by day, geriatric ass grabber by night. As(s?) a side note, he did state he was cleared of charges.
