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Dems politicizing intelligence - EXPOSED ...yet again

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  1. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Member

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    Talk about maximum exposure.... Truly a disgusting revelation. Just goes to show they'll do anything for a smear campaign...


    Dem Memo On Politicizing Intelligence

    Wednesday, November 5, 2003
    Foxnews


    Following is the text of a memo written by a Democrat on the staff of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence that suggests how to make the greatest gain off of intelligence data leading to the war against Iraq. The memo was obtained by Fox News.

    Transcript of a memo written by a Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee staff suggesting how to make the greatest gain off of intelligence data leading to the war against Iraq.

    We have carefully reviewed our options under the rules and believe we have identified the best approach. Our plan is as follows:

    1) Pull the majority along as far as we can on issues that may lead to major new disclosures regarding improper or questionable conduct by administration officials. We are having some success in that regard. For example, in addition to the president's State of the Union speech, the chairman has agreed to look at the activities of the Office of the Secretary of Defense as well as Secretary Bolton's office at the State Department. The fact that the chairman supports our investigations into these offices and co-signs our requests for information is helpful and potentially crucial. We don't know what we will find but our prospects for getting the access we seek is far greater when we have the backing of the majority. (Note: we can verbally mention some of the intriguing leads we are pursuing.)

    2) Assiduously prepare Democratic "additional views" to attach to any interim or final reports the committee may release. Committee rules provide this opportunity and we intend to take full advantage of it. In that regard, we have already compiled all the public statements on Iraq made by senior administration officials. We will identify the most exaggerated claims and contrast them with the intelligence estimates that have since been declassified. Our additional views will also, among other things, castigate the majority for seeking to limit the scope of the inquiry. The Democrats will then be in a strong position to reopen the question of establishing an independent commission (i.e. the Corzine amendment).

    3) Prepare to launch an independent investigation when it becomes clear we have exhausted the opportunity to usefully collaborate with the majority. We can pull the trigger on an independent investigation at any time-- but we can only do so once. The best time to do so will probably be next year either:

    A) After we have already released our additional views on an interim report -- thereby providing as many as three opportunities to make our case to the public: 1) additional views on the interim report; 2) announcement of our independent investigation; and 3) additional views on the final investigation; or



    B) Once we identify solid leads the majority does not want to pursue. We could attract more coverage and have greater credibility in that context than one in which we simply launch an independent investigation based on principled but vague notions regarding the "use" of intelligence.

    In the meantime, even without a specifically authorized independent investigation, we continue to act independently when we encounter foot-dragging on the part of the majority. For example, the FBI Niger investigation was done solely at the request of the vice chairman; we have independently submitted written questions to DoD; and we are preparing further independent requests for information.

    Summary

    Intelligence issues are clearly secondary to the public's concern regarding the insurgency in Iraq. Yet, we have an important role to play in the revealing the misleading -- if not flagrantly dishonest methods and motives -- of the senior administration officials who made the case for a unilateral, preemptive war. The approach outline above seems to offer the best prospect for exposing the administration's dubious motives and methods.
     
    #1 bigtexxx, Nov 5, 2003
  2. FranchiseBlade

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    How is this different than the info on the computer from the whitehouse where they are talking about using the war talk around election time in order to get the most gain from it?

    To me the difference is that this should be used in political races to help ensure that this type of thing never happens again and that people are held responsible for what has happened.
     
    #2 FranchiseBlade, Nov 6, 2003
  3. RocketMan Tex

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    The Republicans politicized Clinton's dick.

    Why can't the Democrats politicize a real issue?
     
    #3 RocketMan Tex, Nov 6, 2003
  4. Major

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    Why wouldn't you politicize an administration's misuse of intelligence and the resources available to it? If the Bush admin lied about intelligence matters, that damn well better be a campaign issue because it goes to the heart of the credibility of this President. I mean, this kind of stuff is just TERRIBLE:

    <I>we have already compiled all the public statements on Iraq made by senior administration officials. We will identify the most exaggerated claims and contrast them with the intelligence estimates that have since been declassified.</I>

    Who'd want to know if the administration was feeding us false information!?!? Much better to keep our heads buried in the sand and let the administration go to war with whomever whereever without any oversight.

    I like how Republicans now don't want anything that might actually hurt them to be a legitimate issue.
     
    #4 Major, Nov 6, 2003
  5. mc mark

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    How dare they! Traitors!
     
    #5 mc mark, Nov 6, 2003
  6. GladiatoRowdy

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    Thank you for posting an article that shows the Democrats in a positive light, texx. Are you pulling a Jeffords?
     
    #6 GladiatoRowdy, Nov 6, 2003
  7. twhy77

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    Ted Kennedy talking to Howard Dean--

    Ted: Heeeey Howard....
    Howard: (shudders behind desk) Yeah Ted:
    Ted: I was wondering if you got the memo....
    Howard: yah I got it....
    Ted: Yeaaah.... you're going to have to attack the administration a little harder...yeaaah.... (sips coffee spiked with brandy and pats the top of Howard's desk) Yeaaaah, and can you work Saturday?
    Howard: I guess so...

    TOOLS.
     
    #7 twhy77, Nov 6, 2003
  8. Rocketman95

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    But Republicans politicizing the war is okeydokey, huh?

    :rolleyes:
     
    #8 Rocketman95, Nov 6, 2003
  9. Cohen

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    How about lying under oath? That seems like a good one.
     
    #9 Cohen, Nov 6, 2003
  10. twhy77

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    That wasn't the point, the point was, the Dems (and probably most politicians) are taking orders from the likes of Lumbergh's and losing the beauty of their individuality.

    Bush is losing in the polls because of this war yet he continues to fight it. Is this really politicizing it?
     
    #10 twhy77, Nov 6, 2003
  11. Cohen

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    Originally posted by FranchiseBlade
    How is this different than the info on the computer from the whitehouse where they are talking about using the war talk around election time in order to get the most gain from it?

    To me the difference is that this should be used in political races to help ensure that this type of thing never happens again and that people are held responsible for what has happened.     [/QUOTE]

    Good points.
     
    #11 Cohen, Nov 6, 2003
  12. pgabriel

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    not that I'm defending that,

    but Clinton's unit was politicized way before lying under oath.
     
    #12 pgabriel, Nov 6, 2003
  13. Rocketman95

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    Lumberghs are better than Roves.

    He's continuing to fight because he knows if he pulled out now, then he'd really be destroyed next year. Just because you aren't successful at politicizing something doesn't mean you aren't trying.
     
    #13 Rocketman95, Nov 6, 2003
  14. Rocketman95

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    What's really crazy is that anyone would be surprised at politicians politicizing something. That's like being stunned at basketball players dribbling (unless it's Moochie Norris, then you just want to strangle them).
     
    #14 Rocketman95, Nov 6, 2003
  15. twhy77

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    No, I think it would be viable for him to get out now. People would forget about it soon enough if he played his cards correctly.
     
    #15 twhy77, Nov 6, 2003
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    I didn't really care when it was just his libido. I thought it was morally reprehensible on a personal level, but not anything that really affected his job or what I thought of his professionalism. Lying under oath, however, was a big deal.

    Re: this memo. This really looks like Fox spinning away to make Dems look bad. It's just a strategy memo. The only part that bothers me is the part about timing the use of an independent counsel. If there is wrongdoing, investigate it now. If not, don't plan on doing it at election time.
     
    #16 goophers, Nov 6, 2003
  17. RocketMan Tex

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    Is this memo any different than the RNC memo that came out last year urging party members to use the War on Terrorism to the benefit of the mid-term elections?

    Nope, it isn't.

    Both parties politicize everything and anything. That's what we've come to.
     
    #17 RocketMan Tex, Nov 6, 2003
  18. Cohen

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    Did you read the thread?
     
    #18 Cohen, Nov 6, 2003
  19. RocketMan Tex

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    Yep. Just emphasizing the most important point. And it is a good point. Did you read the last line of my previous post?
     
    #19 RocketMan Tex, Nov 6, 2003
  20. Cohen

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    Yes. Just wondering why you're trying to steal FB's thunder, esp. when his post was so much more eloquent than yours. ;)
     
    #20 Cohen, Nov 6, 2003
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