Dems Agree to Drop Government-Run Insurance Option

You do realize the compromise is Hillarycare right?

 

Far out, dudes and dudettes! We have a bunch of wacked out right-wing pseudo intellectuals with the first three threads in this forum, and if you include Shovel Face, who is simply psuedo (or menudo, can't remember which), they have started 9 of the 20 threads on the first page.

There's that herd they keep babbling about, folks, thundering across D&D! Yee Haaa!!!

 

Isn't it obvious that when this is signed into law, it is just the first step? It's only a matter of time before a public option will become reality.

I hate it when people overuse the argument that doing one thing automatically leads to something else. IMO, the slippery slope line of reasoning is usually a tiresome way of admitting you have no legit point to make. But in this case, it actually applies. Within 5 or 10 years, there will be a public option.

 

Define bad, I'm curious to see what bad can be given the current state of American healthcare and the stupefying lack of efficient alternatives to the Democrat plan. Do you favor the status quo? Or do you favor a Republican plan that covers less people and saves less money? Or have you somehow made an ingenious plan of your own that involves, say, oh I dunno, malpractice reform?

 

More Kool-Aide for you. If this gets "modified in the years to come", it won't be to remove anything. Sorry to tell you it will go the opposite direction. Once you let the nose and the head in the door, the whole horse will follow.

 

The terrorists will have won if we remove the opposition's right to use the slippery slope argument.

 

There will be no public option, the whole thing was a pipe dream to begin with. There is simply not enough support for it in Congress. The Dems would need 70 seats for it to even have a chance.

Looks like Obama took a big risk by betting his presidency on this one issue. Now the bill is likely dead in the waters and will, in the end, look and offer virtually nothing of what it initially promised. Obama may have just wasted an entire year of his presidency with nothing to show for it on the domestic front. And to think the guy had the biggest mandate in recent memory coming into office! This is what waffling around and being indecisive gets you. Obama has to learn that he cannot please everyone, he cannot seek personal approval and popularity over effective governance if he wants to succeed legislatively. After 2010 he wont have nearly the same support in Congress.

 

This is only because of the fact that Republicans are constantly obstructing anything and everything Obama/Democrat and providing mediocre opposition plans. Really, the only thing you can blame the Dems for in this instance is their excessive pandering to a Republican base that merely does not want to listen and their loose discipline in trying to get reform done.

A public option would get costs down (in fact the fear is that it'll get costs so down that it'll just take over! wow). The CBO says it cuts into the deficit as well. I can understand an ideological opposition to healthcare reform but practically something NEEDS to be done. And so far this has been the best plan out there, sad as that may be.

 

If the Dem's cave .. . it will surprise no one

Rocket River

 

Yes, because a near-fanatical and irrational/partisan opposition to almost every plan by all members of the Republican party and a dearth of any real ideas isn't stopping the process.

Hell, just to get people to discuss reform got a roaring no from most Republicans.

The Democrats can't maintain total party discipline. That is their error. Unfortunately, the group that can maintain it is using it as a cudgel to stop any significant reform and denigrating the nation as a result.

It is an insult to all voting citizens when the Republicans masquerade as agents of change and give them a turd that saves less money and covers no uninsured people at all.

If you can agree that something must be done, then what do you propose can be better then the bill currently being denied and watered down? If it's better then what the GOP can come up with, I'll be mildly surprised. Actually, very mildly surprised.

 

Anybody familiar with Canada's small business environment?

Many employed people are afraid to quit their jobs, because they need the medical insurance. One person getting sick means skyrocketing health insurance costs as an entrepreneur, while working for a large corporation means health insurance costs are spread over a large pool of people.

Has Canada's health insurance accelerated entrepreneurial growth?

Anybody have any research on this?

 

How is it the dems "caving"?

It is Dems going against it.

 

I am interested in discussing better alternatives to the Democrat plan.

Of which I would assume the Republican party has the MOST interest in pursuing. Since you refuse to discuss this I will take it as a tacit admission that you recognize that there is nothing better out there.

The question becomes then, why are ALL Republicans so opposed to something that represents the best plan for reform that must happen? You can dodge the whole issue by putting all the blame on the Democrats, but this bill wouldn't be watered down one bit if ten Republicans listened to sense. Shame on the Republicans for their lunacy. Shame on the Democrats for their pandering to a lunatic and their spinelessness.

 

Where's McNugget? I'm sure he will enjoy dining on this unhappy meal.