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Democratic Leaders don’t Care About Illegal immigrants

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by crash5179, Jun 20, 2018.

  1. crash5179

    crash5179 Contributing Member

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    they are hypocrites and are only enterested in using them for political gain.



    I know there is no convincing many of you. Just like so many explained away the 2014 pictures, FBI corruption and IG report as nothing, I’m sure many will ignore the hypocrisy by the Democrats in that video. Yes, Trump is a mortally corrupt jack ass that I wish would stay the hell off of Twitter, but that video is one hell of a troll job.
     
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    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    It's like there is no nuance in your argument.

    You can deport people humanely without seperating families from their children.

    You can also not reject every asylum seeker.

    There has to be pragamtic enforcement which the left has always advocated for.

    Stop beating up a strawman with a lack of nuance.
     
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    Yeah, it's clearly not a Republican Democrat issue. People on the internet are angry and entitled and take it out on Trump. No one blames Hispanic nations or people because apparently we dont expect much from them. He's done a fine job, aside from climate related issues.
     
  6. crash5179

    crash5179 Contributing Member

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    Law was placed in effect before Trump and 9th circuit court ruled that it applied to children of illegal immigrants in costudy. The children were removed from their parents as an operation of law not because of any Trump policy. The Republicans wanted to create legislation to allow children of immigrants to remain with their parents while in costudy but Chuck Schumer said the Democrats would not support that legislation. These are all facts but of you will continue to blame Republicans.
     
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    Previous adminstrations treated first time offenses of illegal border crossings by families caught at the border as CIVIL issues where the family is detained together and proccesed and deported TOGETHER.

    The Trump adminstration are treating EVERY first time offense of illegal crossings of families with children as CRIMIMAL PROSECUTIONS so when the parent is criminally prosecuted, they are arrested and seperated from their child.

    This would be equivalent of overnight the federal government changing their mind and deciding that all recreational pot smokers will be criminally prosecuted to the letter of the law(zero tolerance).

    Not only is it incredibly inhuman, it is unpragamtic and fisically irresponsible also since the proccess of deporting caught families through a civil proccess at a detention center was far more expedient and cost effective than criminally prosecuting every single adult that comes across the border. Not only is the process signficantly longer, you are also waisting tax payer money in having these people stay in our US prison system.
     
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    And yet, somehow, the George Bush and Obama administrations were able to enforce the law without doing what the Trump administration has been doing.

    No, the "zero-tolerance" policy created by the Trump administration changed how the law was being enforced.

    The Democrats would most certainly have supported legislation which did ONLY that.

    The fact remains that you place the blame where it belongs, which in this case is with Republicans.
     
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    Nonsense. He separated the children as part of his own "no tolerance" policy made up by the sociopaths in his administration as a deterrent to future illegals and asylum seekers. There's nothing in the law requiring the separation. You obviously want to have your own personal argument with your own made up facts.

    Grow up.
     
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    Obama found out that they would never turn the bright lights out at night at his family detention centers and he corrected that.

    I give him props. Bright lights for 24 would suck.
     
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    Kamala doesn't even want illegals to be arrested. This is what they wanted all along.

     
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    so Obama is first SOFT on immigration. Now he is Stalinistic in his purges. yeah ok. How many times will the narrative change between today and four days from now, 14? I've been pretty consistent always saying that immigrants are exploited by the labor force from ALL sides and have always been mistreated. But you never clandestinely take away their kids. (something Miller was taking credit for before the backlash as if he thought of it by his lonesome self )

    If Trump and his nazi wannabee crones were true geniuses and wanted to discourage immigration, they would tax the money sent back to the native countries by 50%.
    These immigrants work harder than most here, sometimes working two jobs just to send back to their relatives. Remittances in Central America make up to %22 of the GDP.

    Those that follow trump blindly better pray to the golden calf that AMLO ISN'T the new president of MX. Him and Putin are going to Jedi Mind trick Trump with NAFTA .
     
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    Well yeah, anything short of open borders will be viewed as Nazi Germany by those on the fringe left.
     
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    Wow. This is straight up Whataboutism.

    We don’t have a President. We have a excuse maker.

    Not a man of change. A man of excuses
     
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    - As long as the parents don’t claim political asylum they are processed and deported back across the border without being separated from their kids.

    - If they claim political asylum after being locked up for “illegally” crossing the border their children are seperatef from them as an operation of law.

    - If immigrants enter the country at a legal point of entry they can claim asylum without being separated from their kids.

    You might want to rethink your claim of humane treatment during past administrations.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/32064/5-horrifying-immigration-stories-happened-under-ryan-saavedra

    1. The Obama Administration Placed Immigrant Children With Human Traffickers. The New York Times reports:

    2. The Obama Administration Held Mexican Kids For Months As Punishment For Border-Crossing. The Washington Post reports:

    3. The Obama Administration Knowingly Let Admitted MS-13 Gang Members Into The U.S. The Washington Times reports:

    4. Kept More Than Double The Number Of Children In Detention Centers Than Trump White House. Newsweek reports:
     
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    This is 100% false. Check the 9th circuit courts rulling and get back to me.
     
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    And, after the 9th circuit court ruling, neither Bush nor Obama enforced the law the way this administration has over the last four weeks. This is not a question of whether the law requires this action, this is entirely about how the Trump administration has chosen to enforce that law.
     
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    Which statement from that video do you consider to be hypocritical? Not to say there isn't hypocrisy that exists for some people, but its not hypocritical to be against illegal immigration and also against the way these families that cross over illegally are being prosecuted and detained. Other options are available that are cheaper and more humane:

    https://www.cato.org/blog/alternatives-detention-are-cheaper-indefinite-detention
     
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    There was no law passed by Democrats last month that required children to be separated from their parents. None. It's a made up problem created by the Trump administration.

    You're perpetuating Trump's lie and shame on you.

    Trump has decided he wants to jail illegals and the court said you cannot hold children past 20 days. Somehow you have turned that into Democrats are making Trump separate children from their parents when in fact Trump made that choice when he unilaterally changed procedures at the border. Nobody made him do ****.

    As usual,Trump has trouble following the law and blames others for that inability and sure enough his apologists show up to explain how what he did isn't his responsibility.
     
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