How in the world is Miles a better player than Johnson. Johnson is a good player. He has a shoot. He is heavier than Miles. They are both about the same age. They are about the same height. Plus Johnson has played against some elite competition in college. Explain to me why Miles is supposed to be so much better than Johnson!!! Come on, I just don't see why he would. Come on, I've see Johnson fall down to the 10 to 20 range in the draft. How bad has he been in predraft workouts to drop from what was a concensus 4 to7 selection to 10 to 20? I'd like Johnson over Miles. Miles doesn't have a shot and is a bigger project than Johnson. ------------------
Its pretty obvious why Vince. Darius Miles can jump from the free throw line and Dermarr cant. Just plain and simple. ------------------ President of the Moochie Norris FAN CLUB
That is because Miles weighs as much as an air biscuit. He is so skinny, it does not take much for him to reach escape velocity. DaDakota ------------------
"Johnson is a good player. He has a shoot. He is heavier than Miles. They are both about the same age. They are about the same height. Plus Johnson has played against some elite competition in college." Now let's do the same thing for Jason Kapono compared to....Courtney Alexander. Kapono is a good player. He has the best shot in the draft. Kapono is younger. They are about the same height (weight isn't an issue). Both played against elite. Kapono's better, right? WRONG. However, I don't understand this whole Miles fetish. Good player, top 15 pick, fine. Top 5 pick? Umm.....I'll pass. Dermarr COULD be a nice player, something real special, or could become a complete and utter......BUST. ------------------ Rockets fans wanted at hoopsboards.com Draft Chat, NBA Chat, Team Chat, and more!
My point is that it is more likley that Miles become a bust than Johnson. Okay Nike, miles may be more athletic but Johnson can create his own shot and already has range (3-point). For Miles to develop a jump shot it won't be for another 3 or so years. Jump shots don't come over night. And at 180lbs. or whatever it is and 7 feet tall, he'll make Bradly look fat. Imagine him next to Oneil, is it possible for him to break like a twig with one of those Oneil power moves? Man that's scary. Johnson is a better player than Miles as of now. Although the potential may be higher for Miles, the potential difference is not that great. And considering most players don't reach their full potential, why is Miles more coveted. May it be that teams want the next poster boy for NBC. Now that is just sad!! However the Rockets already have Francis, so lets get a basketball player in Johnson if it comes between Miles and Johnson. ------------------
I want Dermarr over Miles. I'd like to move up and get a top 5 pick but it's probably not happening . I also like Moiso. I can at least say I've seen Dermarr play many times..I've never watched Miles....but I have faith in the organization. ------------------
Playa, I'd like the Rockets to move up as well; but only to get Swift. Swift would be ideal for this team. But as I've recently heard, the Nets are begining to show interest in Swift at the number 1 selection. But if it isn't swift, I say don't even bother moving up. Just stay where you're at Rudy T. Becuase to move up and not get Swift who will be the next big star in this league, the Rockets would likley lose the lots of last years team which as you saw near the end of the year was cliquing. It's Swift for me or the 9th spot!!! ------------------
I like them both. To me, the advantage of Miles is that his passing and ball handling skills are light years ahead of most players and he has tremendous instincts for a young guy. Johnson reminds me more of Glen Rice with athleticism. He has a great shot and can get to the basket. They are both very talented but Miles has the slight edge in versatility and athleticism while Johnson is more polished and a far better shooter. Both good players for sure. ------------------ "No one gets out ALIVE!" SaveOurRockets.com
If Miles is that much more athletic than Johnson he must be amazing. Still, Demarr reminds me more fo a Lamar Odom than a Glen Rice. From actually seeing him play he seems to handle ball pretty well and has freakish athleticism too. So, if Miles and Miller are both gone I would go with either Demarr or Moiso personally. ------------------ Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things!
DerMarr doesn't have the passing skills of Odom and isn't quite the rebounder you'd expect for his size but he is WAY talented. The deal is that Miles has freakish athleticism. Either one would be a good fit. ------------------ "No one gets out ALIVE!" SaveOurRockets.com
Here's the difference: Johnson tends to be a perimeter player and he tends to disapear from the game at times. I could easily see him evolving into a guy that just camps out on the 3 point line. In addition to his athleticism, Miles attacks the basket at every opportunity. He's extremely aggressive on offense and defense. People look at his size, frame and style of play and they draw comparisions to Garnett. Getting the next Garnett, would be more desireable than getting almost any perimeter player that I can think of. Will he be the next Garnett? Most likely not, but if he is, nobody wants to be the team that passed on him. I could see Johnson as potentially developing into a Jalen Rose type player, but as NIKEstrad mentioned, he could be a bust. Just because of Miles' athleticism and style of play, he's got less of a chance of being a total bust and a much higher ceiling. This coupled with the fact that Miles is basically an inside player and Johnson is a perimeter player, makes Miles more attractive to most teams. ------------------
I see Tracy McGrady more than Garnett at this point, because he's not quite as tall (Garnett has about 5 inches on him, if he's 7'2'') and doesn't possess much of a jump shot. But, the thing we need to remember, is that he won't start this year. McGrady took 3 years to develop into a good player, he still hasn't shined quite yet. So, getting him, and expecting him to contribute 35 minutes a game, I feel is a little much. If Miles develops a jump shot/outside shot like KG did, watch out. We don't even know if Miles will be available. A little more-I was reading up on him, since I didn't get that much of a chance to watch him. One thing I read, said he has a crossover. For a guy 6'9''? Wow. He's also a shot blocker type, and would make a good PF or even a center if we went to a small lineup. ------------------ Rockets fans wanted at hoopsboards.com Draft Chat, NBA Chat, Team Chat, and more! [This message has been edited by NIKEstrad (edited June 02, 2000).]
Miles likely will NOT be available at #9. ------------------ "No one gets out ALIVE!" SaveOurRockets.com
I don't think so either. Jeff-out of curiousity, if these players were available at #9, who would you take? Mike Miller, Dermarr Johnson, Jerome Moiso, Olumide Oyedeji, DeShawn Stevenson, Iakovo Tsakalidis, Morris Peterson I personally would go with Moiso. Another random thought of mine is on Olumide- http://www.x-rays.de/team/player15.php3 game by game of his numbers. His LOWEST rebounding game was 9, pretty scary. That gives you an idea of the type of things he'll put up. I'd really like to see if we can get him somehow. His offense will come along, and he'll probably be the PF incarnation of Dikembe Mutumbo. That's not a bad thing. ------------------ Rockets fans wanted at hoopsboards.com Draft Chat, NBA Chat, Team Chat, and more! [This message has been edited by NIKEstrad (edited June 02, 2000).]
Garnett has about 5 inches on him, if he's 7'2'' Garnett isn't 7'2". Everybody says that he's grown to 7' since he's been in the league. That's probably correct, but he hasn't grown to 7'2". Look at him next to Cato, he's not that much bigger. Miles is a legit 6'9" with long arms. That's not more than an inch or two different than Garnett size when he was drafted. ------------------
I'll try and find it, but I saw a magazine cover of Duncan and Garnett,and Garnett had to be 2 or 3 inches taller. Maybe they weren't standing straight, but it was a pretty big difference. Poor Stevenson. The guy actually has what seems like an outside shot, and WON the dunk contest, and is put off like a nothing. ------------------ Rockets fans wanted at hoopsboards.com Draft Chat, NBA Chat, Team Chat, and more!
I can't remember where I saw them together, but I saw a picture of Garnett standing next to Tim Duncan. It may have been a magazine cover. They were standing side by side and both facing the camera. Garnett was a couple of inches taller. Is Tim a legit seven-footer? If so, Garnett could be 7'2". ------------------ [This message has been edited by TraJ (edited June 02, 2000).]
That's a good question. I think it would be a hard choice between Moiso, Miller and Johnson. I really like Miller a lot, but I don't really think that he will develop into more than a good solid player. He doesn't really have star potential, but he is the type of guy you want on your team. Moiso has a ton of potential but I'm not sure about his overall work ethic. He reminds me of a less tenacious Carlos Rogers. I don't see him as a Garnett type player because his skills are still mainly low post in nature. I like his fire and his athleticism but I'm not sold. I agree with your basic assesment of Johnson. He'll have to prove to me that he is willing to get to the hole on a regular basis and not settle for jumpers. I do think he is an automatic starter because his game is already much more suited to the NBA than the others. I think I'd go with Johnson just simply because he can play 3 positions and because shooters are SO hard to come by. It is rare to find a guy who can hit the open jumper in college on a consistent basis. If he could develop his slashing game enough, he could be a big help to the Rockets. My order out of those three: Johnson Moiso Miller ------------------ "No one gets out ALIVE!" SaveOurRockets.com
Well if Miles isnt gonna be available at the 9 pick, then what's the point of this discussion? WE prolly wont get Demarr because he is more of a sg anyway. We need to get somebody to fill our pf position, and that's where Moiso comes in. ------------------ treasurer of the moochie norris fan club
