Debunking Republicans' False Narrative on the Steele Dossier

People fall for conspiracy theory too easily. So willful to be blind and deluded because it's better for my dear narrative. Criminal acts against self.

 

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So we are supposed to believe that a drunken 28 year old, unpaid volunteer to the Trump campaign (with minimal to no influence), had better intel than the CIA and FBI as to alleged (and fake) Russian collusion with the Trump Campaign to influence the election? That is seriously absurd. What totally undermines the story -- actually blows it to bits -- is that the FBI didn't bother to interview this so called centerpiece to the collusion story until JANUARY 2017 -- many months after this drunken escapade in London with the Australian diplomat. The guy was so important that he was disregarded by the FBI at the key moments of this alleged conspiracy. Absurd. This is the NYT providing cover for the FBI as they try to cling to what's left of their dying reputation as the Steele Dossier scandal comes to light. It's getting ahead of the Dossier scandal -- which by the way is an enormous scandal -- and providing talking points for the gullible crowd that already believes the disproved Russian collusion lie. The NYT originally lifted up the Dossier as evidence of Russian collusion, and this Papadopolous story is a total 180 and a backtrack on that original story. So the NYT already has no credibility.

Repeat after me: The Dossier was paid for by the DNC and FBI and put together to secure a FISA warrant to spy on Trump. The Obama DOJ's first attempt at securing the FISA warrant failed, and they tried again a 2nd time with this manufactured Dossier. TO SPY ON TRUMP. Worse than Watergate. That's the story here. And that story is backed by facts -- unlike the Russian collusion story, which after a year of investigation has turned up zilch.


GOOD DAY

 

Obama is out of office. No reason to pile on his illegal spying at this point

 

The dossier was initially funded by GOP candidates during the primaries.

 

http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/fecimg/?201607139020444884

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...r-Was-Original-Funder-Of-Trump-Russia-Dossier

Devin Nunes' donor Paul Singer was the original funder.... which adds an interesting wrinkle as to why Nunes is trying like hell to blow up the investigations. His actions COULD BE as simple as trying to keep his donor from getting trolled on Twitter by the president.... which is insane, but this is the world we live in now.

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However.... I have to think that since Nunes' actions are obviously okay'ed by Paul Ryan (since he refused to kick him off the committee for reasons nobody can explain) that the investigation struck a nerve with the House leadership and the RNC. There has to be something there with the RNC that has EVERYONE scared sh$%less to have all of them acting this way. Something changed a few weeks ago when the House Republicans and the right wing media all the sudden went on full attack of Bob Mueller, the DOJ, and the FBI.

Not sure what it is, but my guess would be either the RNC hack (which Russia withheld releasing potentially damaging stolen information) or they contributed in some way to being an intermediary between Russian hacking, and RNC funded campaigns (the Florida election seems to be a soft area of interest).

They are taking a big risk in joining Trump in attacking his own institutions. I can't think of too many innocent reasons for them doing so WITH A GREEN LIGHT all the way up to Paul Ryan.

 

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And they stopped well in advance of where the action started happening. But you prove my point perfectly -- the Dossier was a political hit piece, not a serious intel piece intended to protect the country. The Dossier as used to obtain a FISA warrant to have the Obama DOJ and FBI spy on Trump. That alone is a massive, massive scandal. Weaponizing intel for power is exactly the point that Edward Snowden sounded the alarm about. And Obama's legacy on spying is as bad as it gets -- spying on AP reporters, spying on Angela Merkel, spying on Trump. It's outrageous that the man is not in prison, quite honestly.

GOOD DAY

 

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Attacking an institution? Are you serious? They are attacking an institution that dropped all integrity to clear Hilly Clinton, attempted to rig an election, attempted to overturn the people's votes in the 2016 election, and then attempted to overthrow the duly elected President. The attack on the institution occurred when Obama politicized them and weaponized them to help his party stay in power... by spying on Trump, attacking Trump, and then trying to reverse the election results. That's the attack, young man. To seek protection from, the credibility built up by honorable men at at these institutions, and then torn down by the dishonorable Obama team, well it's disgusting.


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To obtain a FISA warrant, you have to go to a federal judge and show PROBABLE CAUSE. If your theory is true (and its not), than the Steele Dossier is viewed by the court as enough evidence to be seen as probable cause. That alone debunks your claim that the Dossier is somehow a fake hit job if you want to also have it both ways and say it was used to get a a FISA warrant.

Let me guess.... the Federal judge was also "Deep State" and a secret Hillary mole right?

 

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https://www.justsecurity.org/39886/high-bar-fisa-warrant-monitor-carter-page/

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/12/politics/fisa-court-explainer-trnd/index.html

 

Follow the money...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/02/opinion/republicans-investigation-fusion-gps.html?_r=0

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/03/donald-trump-russia-steve-bannon-michael-wolff

 

Pows law sucks man.

I still don't know if you are playing some type of shtick a la Colbert style showing how absurd the opposition argument is .

 

You asked, so I'll be happy to give you an education, you certainly need one.

No, we don't have to believe that at all. He was nothing more than a corroborating witness, one of the first, that started the ball rolling as far as investigations into Russia.

Yes, that straw man you posted above is beyond absurd. You really like swallowing those fallacies.

Not even remotely "undermined," they didn't interview him until they had gotten so much other evidence that it was apparent that "a drunken 28 year old, unpaid volunteer to the Trump campaign (with minimal to no influence)" may have been doing more than blowing smoke in a drunken haze.

Again, the guy was almost completely unimportant. He wasn't taken seriously until there was so much other intelligence from credible witnesses that his statements couldn't be ignored.

Yes, your interpretation of this entire situation is completely absurd.

Now it is the FBI that has a "dying reputation?" Seriously? The single most professional law enforcement agency in the world is no longer credible because they happen to be investigating Trump.

Your delusion is truly hilarious.

You mean the dossier that the Republicans commissioned?

Republicans commissioning a dossier to do opposition research during a primary election and then having that research continued by Democrats during the general election is SOP, not even remotely scandalous.

As has been clearly shown, the gullible one here is you, the one who believes the FBI isn't credible and that the United States' entire intelligence apparatus is on a partisan witch hunt. That is the height of gullibility and you're right on top of that mountain of bullsh!t.

Hilariously delusional. The NYT offered up the dossier as merely one piece of evidence supporting the contention that Russians had meddled in our election and the Papadopolous story merely provides additional support.

As we have seen for well over a decade, t_j is the one who lacks credibility.

The Dossier was commissioned by and paid for by Republicans during the primary and continued by the DNC as opposition research. It wasn't until Trump employees were caught on tape during normal surveillance of Russian officials that FISA warrants were granted. That is, except for those on Flynn, which had been ongoing for years.

This is pure, unadulterated bullsh!t.

No, they were spying on Russians, as we have been doing for nearly a century now. It isn't Obama's, the CIA's, or the FBI's fault that this normal surveillance caught Trump officials talking to Russians.

Perhaps, it depends on how high the cover-up ends up going. After all, it was the cover-up that was the true scandal in Watergate, not the break-in.

Of course, the important fact here is merely that Russia interfered in our election. Even if Trump had zilch to do with it, Russia did, without doubt or question, interfere in our election to get Trump elected.

And they succeeded.

Any day you poke your head up from under that rock where you've been hiding to provide me with such rich manure in which to plant actual facts is a good day for me.

 

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I once dined with Mexican Industrialists and all they ordered for us was sliced beef skirt steak and menudo

GOOD DAY

 

Since you need further education...

Well, except that the "action" had been ongoing for years. Manafort was first tapped in 2014, LONG before there could have been motivation against Trump.

And has never been advertised as anything but this. However, even a "political hit piece" can contain facts and the facts contained within the dossier are but a small portion of the evidence of Russian meddling.

No, the FISA warrants started LONG before the dossier was even in existence.

Except that it didn't happen here. The dossier was developed as political opposition research, but it is far from the entirety of the evidence of Russian meddling in the 2016 election.

By this "logic," Bush was "as bad as it gets" during his term, as was Clinton, as was Bush the elder, and as was Reagan, given that the level of spying, both domestic and foreign, expands with every passing day. By your "logic," Trump is "as bad as it gets" right this very moment.

Yes, it must really chap your biased, partisan a$$ that the Obama administration has been the least scandalous in modern history, as measured by the number of indictments brought against members of his administration (that number is zero, by the way), despite the unprecedented partisan rancor churned up by Republicans over the last eight years and the fact that they have the power right now, today, to bring charges against anyone whose actions might warrant them.

After an entire year, not even one.

Again, any day where I can show you to be the biased partisan we were already aware you are is not just a GOOD DAY, but a GREAT DAY!