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David Carr

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by reggietodd, Jul 16, 2005.

  1. reggietodd

    reggietodd Contributing Member

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    If the guy doesn't produce and win this year, then what is the timeframe before we should give another quarterback a chance. I for one am not a fan of his side arm throwing style nor his abilitiy to get rid of the ball in time and his ablility to not panic and make the smart play.

    I hope he proves me wrong this year, and in his defense he hasn't had much protection, but lets hope he gets some and proves me wrong, if not, i'd like to see someone else back there given a chance.
     
  2. Summer Song Giver

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    Not just in DC's defense but pretty much any QB behind those lines would struggle, could you imagine how bad a GREAT QB like Marino who does not have an ounce of escapability like Carr would have looked behind the Texans line to date. Judging DC's performance so far is completely inconclusive because of the line and while I have patience up to date if their is not dr4astic improvement in the area it's time the Texans start throwing some big money at the problem in the offseason but to date outside of the Pace ordeal the players to pay just have not been there. I think we will start to see a legtimate offense this year with DC and AJ emerging as rising stars.
     
  3. mateo

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    According to several analysts, he has been improving annually but is hindered by a patchwork O-line. After this year, part of his contract is up for renewal...sadly, we will not have a year of Carr behind a decent O-line to determine what this kid can do.

    However, as long as he plays for us, we're Jesus's team, so we've got that going for us.
     
  4. redgoose

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    Carr might as well get used to that quick 3 step drop back because we still have't fixed that O-Line issue. Again.......maybe next off season....Sigh :eek:
     
  5. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Marino had one of the quickest releases ever. A line would have to suck momumetally for him not to be able to get the ball off. Peyton also helps his line by getting the ball off faster.

    Not trying to criticize Carr, I thinks he's done just enough to live up to expectations, but I always thought the Texans should have taken Peppers.
     
  6. Nick

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    Marino and Peyton both have quick releases... but they still have time to ASSESS the situation. Carr does not have that time... not on any play (whatsoever), and his ability to SCRAMBLE (an ability that neither Marino nor Peyton have) is why he's been able to be somewhat effective these last two years (and why those other two HOFers would not have had as much success).

    Yes... they haven't been able to shore up the line... and frankly, it may take some divine intervention to make that happen before Carr's career is done. (Its likely that one of these yearshe gets really hurt... the Texans have an awful awful season... and we fall into the best offensive-line prospect in the country)
     
  7. mateo

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    I wanted them to build the lines first as well. Capers is such a defensive-minded coach..I sorta thought they would draft a QB in year 2. However, being at that Texans over Dallas win made me always have a special place in my heart for our super religious pretty boy QB. And I dig AJ.
     
  8. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I'm not a Peyton fan, but he has the situation assessed before the play starts. That's what separates him from the average qb.
     
  9. Lil Francis

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    I think Capers' job is on the line if we have another 7-9 or 8-8 season.
     
  10. Baqui99

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    Charlie Casserly has repeatedly ignored our problems on the O-line during the past few drafts. Instead he's drafted multiple QBs and RBs. As a result, we have Chester "false start" Pitts playing RT next year.
     
  11. Nick

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    Yea... but would he deliver those same throws if he had the d-line clawing down his throat at the snap? Peyton still gets plenty of time to drop back and MAKE the throw, even if he has already assessed it to begin with.

    Basically, I'm just saying that we can't question Carr's decision-making ability nor can we question his ability to complete throws (even though he did complete a decent % last year) because of the line situation.

    (and also... a good line can turn an average QB into a pro-bowler... )
     
  12. mateo

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    What pisses me off the most is that everyone is saying "next year's draft is gonna be stockpiled with O-linemen." Well great. So we draft one and end up with a friggin rookie protecting Carr? Upsetting.

    I have sacrificed an 3 entire chickens 3 this offseason in the hopes that Seth Wand has a good 2005. (Well, fried chickens at Jacque Imos)
     
  13. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I am not questionig Carr's playmaking ability, I'm just pointing out that those other qbs help their line out with theiir quick decision making and quick release. When Peyton usually sits back in the pocket, its off of one of the best playaction fakes in the game. The Colts line isn't that talented.


    Now later on in Marino's career he had a very talented line.
     
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    True, that line was good enough to make Scott Mitchell look talented, which led to him being signed by the Lions. Plus didn't Steve Deberg play behind that same line and beat the Cowboys in that great snow game on Thanksgiving? At 38 years old?
     
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    Nick Member

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    Are you kidding me?!?

    Jeff Saturday and Tarik Glen ALONE could block Carr better than his 5 have.
     
  16. redgoose

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    Even if Carr knows exactly who will be open, when they will be open, and where they will be open; half the time he won't be able to get him the ball anyways because he'll already be laying on his ass.

    And a play action fake isn't just sitting back in the pocket whistling songs to yourself. There are great O-Line men in every draft, it's just that we don't draft them. Not 1 of them. One Orlando Pace will protect you from half the D-Line.

    It is a fact that the Colts have an average offensive line. So do most teams in the NFL. That's all you need to give your QB time to take 5 steps back and access the situation of who's open and pass them the ball.

    For all we know Carr could be the Best QB in the League. It's a shame we won't be finding out this year either.

    And i forgot to add there wouldn't be a single HOF QB if they had the O-Line Carr has had his entire career. I guarantee it! :eek:
     
  17. UTweezer

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    hmm...JOHNNY UNITAS?!!!!
     
  18. mishii

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    Wow, a Jacque Imos reference!!! I love that restaurant. Their fried chicken is simply amazing as well as basically every dish they serve, although I thought their Manhattan branch was a bit underwhelming compared to the original.

    Oh and yeah it is a bit disappointing that we can't get a decent O-line these past few years when we knew it was the big glaring weakness in our offense.
     
  19. leroy

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    You're kidding, right? The Colts line is in the top 3 in the game. Probably on KC and Pittsburgh's were better. Any thing less and Peyton Manning gets murdered. He couldn't out run JJ Moses ;)
     
  20. Kam

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    David Carr is the new Steve Francis.
     

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