Well thanks Jay, I have read for a long time but seldom post so I didn't know about that. But would really like to see if my thinking on Fegan is far out or getting close to the problem. ------------------
I think the interesting thing about all of this is that Fegan represents both Hakeem and Shandon (and also Moochie???). Now - with the salary cap, giving Hakeem more money might take away possibilities for Shandon and vice versa. Isn't Fegan a lawyer? Ever heard about the Multistate Professional Responsibility Exam? In my opinion, this is a classic case of a conflict of interest on the agent's side. ------------------ Rockets' offseason tasks in order of priority: Get rid of Cato under any circumstances - ideally in a trade (with draft picks from us to them) that brings us Raef LaFrentz (dreaming). Re-Sign Hakeem. Re-Sign Mo Taylor. Re-Sign Moochie and AirBullard. Pick up the Langhi option for another year. Sign-and-trade Shandon Anderson for Bo Outlaw.
Thanks for mentioning my thread, JayZ750. No one is responding to it, but it's a question I'd really like some feedback on, so I'll pose it again here. Maybe fegan is presenting a timing problem... When does waiting for dream's decision begin hampering the team's outlook for the upcoming season? how long do the Rockets wait until they say - that's it, we need to move on and nail down other players - see ya dream... ------------------ "George W. is like a hybrid of his father and Dan Quayle" - P. Mesku
See- I havent had any feeling so far this summer that the Rockets were looking at a bunch of other free agents (other than Webber initially) or that the Rocket's free agents, other than Hakeem, were looking at other teams. If that is still the case, I beleive the Rockets are being smart by doing hteir due diligence and seeing that the Hakeem situation is taken care of thourughly, whether we sign him, trade him, or he leaves. However, another week or two and Shandon and Mo and Moochie and hte gang will begin to get nervous. Are agents a problem? Of course. But everybody is in the business for their own good. If I was an agent I would be milking these guys for all their worth. If I was a player, I'd be milking the owners for all I was worth, and if I was an owner I'd be milking my customers (the fans) for all they're worth. But, alas, I am not an agent or a player or an owner, I am just a lowly fan, so all I get to do is sit back and watch, and voice my opinion every now and then on an internet message board. it is a simple life really, but I'll take it. ------------------ American business long ago gave up on demanding that prospective employees be honest and hardworking. It has even stopped hoping for employees who are educated enough that they can tell the difference between the men's room and the women's room without having little pictures on the doors.
Sports agents are like political consultants. Every election cycle, some new slick dude emerges as the "star" political consultant. He signs up the most clients and makes the most money. And because he's got too many clients to keep track of and too much money to keep him attentive to his customers, he does a crappy job in half of his campaigns. He loses his clients, and in the next election, there's a new "star" consultant, and the cycle repeats itself over and over. Right about now, Shandon Anderson is wondering why he ever signed up with this dude, and thinking about who to sign up with instead the next time around. So live it up, Dan Fegan. Your 15 minutes will soon be over.
Fagen came across to me as someone who i would not like to do bussines with. He came across as a completely arrogent sob to me. ------------------ Life quotes: -Statistics are like a bikini; what they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. -You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone. -Anyone who can walk to the welfare office can walk to work. -Budget: A method for going broke methodically. -We've sent a man to the moon, and thats 29000 miles away. The center of the Earth is only 4000 miles away. You could drive that in a week but for some reason nobodys ever done it. -People will accept your idea much more readily if you tell them Benjamin Franklin said it first. -As long as people will accept crap it will be financially profitable to dispense it. -Laugh at your problems, everyone else does. -Sex is not the answer. Sex is the question. Yes is the answer. -If at first you don't succeed, redefine success.
yeah, Shandon's watching the frenzy and thinking, "If Dan and Hakeem get Dream all that money, and the Rockets sign Mo and Mooch because they need to fill those spots, is there going to be any money left for me here...?Oh god...I'm going to Chicago." ------------------
If I were Hakeem, I'd probably fire the guy. I mean, he waits until NOW when all the money is basically gone to start shopping his guy around? Where was he when this thing got started? ------------------ How the hell should I know why God would allow the Holocaust. I don't even know how the electric can opener works. - from Hannah and Her Sisters
Why did Hakeem wait until signing date to start entertaining people? Was it him or is it Fegan? He has had over two weeks to get this out of the way, however he waits until people can start signing free agents knowing that the Rockets are waiting as they all sign with someone. The result is the same if He is doing it on propose or on the advice of Fegan, thats his man. Wasn't it Fegan that two years ago held Anderson out until the last free agent to sign. Is this the way he always conducts business? Well he has two more of the five free agents and the one I want most to sign is Mo, so I say the club should give a dead line[make it public] and then renounce Hakeem. Fegan or Hakeem don't think the club will do that. Then give an offer to Anderson and Norris with a dead line for a answer. We have Colson that can replace Norris and time to replace Anderson. Going through this crap with Fegan everytime a contract is up is a waste of time, we send a message and move on. Hakeem knew what he was doing when he signed Fegan to screw with the team. Let Fegan get him with a team that will be understanding when he shows up to play himself in shape, goes on the ir for a few weeks and comes back out of shape, complains to the media that the coach doesn't know how to use a top big man. The club and fans will be as understanding as the Rockets have, I am sure. ------------------
The post is informative and logical, but isnt there already enough Hakeem threads. I mean I understand you want your opinion seen and heard, but Valio just started another Hakeem thread and you could have replied there, or any other current Hakeem thread to voice this opinion. Sorry if that is harsh, though. ------------------ American business long ago gave up on demanding that prospective employees be honest and hardworking. It has even stopped hoping for employees who are educated enough that they can tell the difference between the men's room and the women's room without having little pictures on the doors.
No I didn't take it as being harsh, just your opinion. From your number of post I would think you spend enough time posting to know. I looked and did not see anything mentioning Fegan, but maybe you saw something I missed. I will try to read better in the future, hope the answer wasn't too harsh. ------------------
See, really Im just trying to pad the post count of this thread so people will thin it is real popular and actually start to voice their opinion about Fegan ------------------ American business long ago gave up on demanding that prospective employees be honest and hardworking. It has even stopped hoping for employees who are educated enough that they can tell the difference between the men's room and the women's room without having little pictures on the doors.
He was probably shopping him around. And coming up bone dry. Hypothetical call from CD to Fegan: CD: "Dan, how's it hangin'? You know who I want to talk about, right." DF: "Is this about Shandon?" CD: "No." DF: "Aaah. OK. Lemme set something real quick." (a click as the conversation is recorded...) CD: "So what's your client's stance on yesterday's proposal?" DF: "The same as yesterday, Carrol. Not enough." CD: (takes a deep breath) "Okay. You know the deal, it's here if you want it. Talk to ya tomorrow, Dan. Bye." DF: "Bye, Carrol." (reinserts penis prong and continues what he was doing before call) ------------------
the wait is working in hakeem's favour at this moment. The reverse is that the wait is killing his image. I don't believe Hakeem considers this a problem. Fegan is a dick. Pure & simple. If SA doesn't get a decent slice of the rockets (or anyone's apart from chicago) salary cap in terms of dollars and years, he should sue Fegan for "whatever teh legal term is" re the blatent conflict of interest. From what I heard, it's a little different with mooch. He's happy signing a early bird (cap irrelevatn) once all teh other FAs are taken care of. They would already have a verbal, just not saying anything yet (or it will count against the cap!). No real conflict of interest here. Still, I dislike the man as much as you can dislike a person who you've never personally interacted with ------------------ D'oh! (_8(|) - a thought on Hakeem leaving [This message has been edited by harumph (edited July 23, 2001).]
didn't mean to imply I think SA should get a nice slice of the Rox salary cap. He shouldn't. But that isn't the point I am trying to make. ------------------ D'oh! (_8(|) - a thought on Hakeem leaving
You guys sure hate Fegan for doing his job. He seems like a guy that keeps his distance. If Shandon and Moochie felt like there was a conflict of interest, they would have fired Fegan by now. Fegan is trying to get Dream the maximum amount of money possible. Dream can sign with the Rockets anytime he wants for 2 years, 8 + million, yet he is letting Fegan do the work he hired him for. ------------------ 13-0
Smokey: Any one of us dropped in Fegan's body could do the same job: Hold out for more $. The only question is how long can we hold out? I really don't blame the guy - as you correctly stated, he's just doing his job. But when that job includes f*ing your team to help someone else, I am similarly obliged discredit him. Someone shoots at me, I'm gonna shoot back. However passively Fegan might play, whatever passive-agressive games he's playing, I'd expect nothing less than a full-scale counter assault by the Rockets mgt (CD). Call the bluff, and up-the-ante if necessary (as long as our core FAs are covered - Hakeem is no longer one of them). Fegan understands the game. He knows the precarious position he's putting his client into. I just hope he knows when to back off, when to call it a good deal and sign... ------------------
Dream hired Fegan knowing who he was. You can't get mad at Fegan w/o getting mad at Dream. If Hakeem didn't like what was going on, he could easily fire Fegan and pay someone else to help him sign with whatever team Dream wants to play for. ------------------ So you run and you run to catch up with the sun but it's sinking, Racing around to come up behind you again. The sun is the same in a relative way but you're older, Shorter of breath and one day closer to death.
PRM: It's easier for everyone psychologically to blame the agent than to blame Hakeem. That's part of the agent's job. Only fools blame the front office. Brilliant PR move on their part, BTW, and beautifally played. ------------------
