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D!Ohbama: No guarantee taxes won't go up

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Aug 3, 2009.

  1. basso

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    Remember this?

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    well, apparently in Obamics "Firm Pledge" means something else.

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    2 Obama administration officials can't guarantee middle-class Americans won't see tax hike

    By Philip Elliott, Associated Press Writer
    On Sunday August 2, 2009, 9:24 pm EDT

    WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Barack Obama's treasury secretary said Sunday he cannot rule out higher taxes to help tame an exploding budget deficit, and his chief economic adviser would not dismiss raising them on middle-class Americans as part of a health care overhaul.

    As the White House sought to balance campaign rhetoric with governing, officials appeared willing to extend unemployment benefits. With former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan saying he is "pretty sure we've already seen the bottom" of the recession, Obama aides sought to defend the economic stimulus and calm a jittery public.

    Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and National Economic Council Director Larry Summers both sidestepped questions on Obama's intentions about taxes. Geithner said the White House was not ready to rule out a tax hike to lower the federal deficit; Summers said Obama's proposed health care overhaul needs funding from somewhere.

    "There is a lot that can happen over time," Summers said, adding that the administration believes "it is never a good idea to absolutely rule things out, no matter what."

    During his presidential campaign, Obama repeatedly vowed "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime." But the simple reality remains that his ambitious overhaul of how Americans receive health care -- promised without increasing the federal deficit -- must be paid for.

    "If we want an economy that's going to grow in the future, people have to understand we have to bring those deficits down. And it's going to be difficult, hard for us to do. And the path to that is through health care reform," Geithner said. "We're not at the point yet where we're going to make a judgment about what it's going to take."

    Selling that proposal, however, has proved tricky.

    On Friday, the government released a report that suggested the worst recession in the United States since World War II appears on the verge of ending. The economy dipped only slightly in the second quarter of this year -- falling at a 1 percent annual pace, better than expected.

    The president cautioned against instant turnaround, though.

    "Well, as I've said, I think we maybe are beginning to see the end of the recession, but it's still going to be some time before we are seeing companies hiring again. That's usually the last thing that happens," Obama said in an interview with Univision that aired on Sunday.

    "So I think we are still going to have a tough remainder of the year -- probably until next year -- but, you know, at least what we are seeing -- we've pulled back from the possibility of a depression. That's not the danger."

    Many analysts think the economy is starting to grow again in the current quarter, setting up a long-awaited recovery.

    "Most private forecasters -- and let's use their judgment -- suggest you're going to see unemployment start to come down maybe beginning in the second half of next year," Geithner said, adding those same economists predict positive growth during the second half of this year.

    At the same time, Geithner and other administration officials are contemplating how to ask Congress to extend -- again -- unemployment benefits for the millions of Americans who have lost their jobs in recent months. The proposal drew measured support from Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., as long as the benefits are drawn from the already approved economic stimulus package.

    "We need to take care of those who are unemployed, but we also need to make sure they get jobs," he said.

    Those jobs, though, are still elusive. Greenspan said the economy is slowly coming back.

    "Collapse, I think, is now off the table. We were teetering for a while," he said.

    Greenspan said he doesn't think the Federal Reserve should be considering raising interest rates to ward off inflation, although he added that the Fed will have to rein in credit and raise rates at some point.

    Obama's opponent for the presidency, Sen. John McCain, questioned whether the administration's actions will prove beneficial for the country.

    "I think it's pretty clear, if you pump trillions of dollars into the economy, you will see some recovery," the Arizona Republican said while giving Obama credit for the improvement. "But the long-term consequences, I think, are going to be, unfortunately, devastating unless we do something about it."

    Geithner and Greenspan appeared on ABC's "This Week." Summers appeared on NBC's "Meet the Press" and CBS's "Face the Nation." DeMint was interviewed on "Fox News Sunday." McCain spoke with CNN's "State of the Union."[/rquoter]
     
  2. RedRedemption

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    Plenty of people campaign with false agendas.
    You can't believe everything you hear. :)
     
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    A politician not living up to his promises? This has never happened before. I doubt it will ever happen again...
     
  5. lost_elephant

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    "Hope and Change"

    "A different kind of politics"

    What a bunch of hooey. This guy is a crook just like the rest of 'em.
     
  6. pgabriel

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    you're right, he could just do like bush on prescription drugs and not account for paying for the program.
     
  7. lost_elephant

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    Who cares about Bush? This thread is about Obama, and he is a crook just like every other politician.
     
  8. basso

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    no criticism of Obama is to be allowed w/o referencing how W was worse. get with the program.
     
  9. Steve_Francis_rules

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    How is two Obama officials refusing to guarantee that taxes won't go up the same as Obama lying about taxing? I don't really care about their guarantees anyway because they don't make the final decisions. They advise.
     
  10. pgabriel

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    no, the point was the program needs to be paid for. and yes, its relevant to bush, because $700BB of obama's deficit is related to a bush program instituted by bush at the last minute because of a financial crisis left by mr. bush's admin.


    and its not being a crook paying for the programs you promised
     
  11. rocketsjudoka

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    Except that if you say "just like every other politician." doesn't that mean you are comparing him to other politicians?
     
  12. rocketsjudoka

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    I'm not surprised and this had should've been expected. There is little possibility that this amount of spending could be done without having to raise a wider range of taxes.

    That said. Geitner didn't say that taxes were going to be raised but that they might need to be raised. For that matter while Obama frequently said taxes weren't going to be raised on 95% I don't think he took a pledge on that. This isn't a "read my lips" situation.
     
  13. SamFisher

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    Obama just needs to say no new taxes ever, say goodbye to AAA credit rating, but should say it anyway.
     
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    in this brave new world, anything that LOOKS like Obama reneging on his (obviously) overambitious pledges is flung wildly around as dirt. I have never seen a president undergo so much scrutiny in his first six months...hell, some people were calling for his "Waterloo", what, 1/8 of the way into his term? sad however that people seem to be missing the promises he has kept. Obama is your typical politician, but he's an exceptional manager...and someone who is relatively true to his word.

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  15. deepblue

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    He should just go ahead and say it, that most of us will likely see tax increases. I am glad Geithner and Summers are more honest about it.
     
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  17. basso

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    sure, but what i love is the Obambi, and Obama himself, trying to pretend it's not happening, despite all evidence to the contrary.
     
  18. Northside Storm

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    well, it makes common f****** sense that something's gotta give.

    Only the most deluded still hold on to the belief that Obama is something exceptional (just like how certain people will always be "birthers"); he's not. He's an average politician, albeit one of considerable skill and resolve that is getting things done and managing the country well. What more can you ask of him?

    though it constantly amuses me to see social conservatives refer to blind obedience to Obama...since so many live their lives shrink-wrapped in conformity.
     
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  19. SamFisher

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    ooh, is this where we get to hear your sob story about how your wife is going to have to quit her job again, I like this part! :)
     
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  20. basso

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    where'd you get the idea i'm a social conservative, or a conformist of any stripe?
     

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