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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. bobrek

    bobrek Person, woman, man, camera, TV
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    When in the past have all the world governments gotten together to screw the billions of people in the world?

    Why did China step up to be the fall guy in this instance? Why did Trump agree to do this knowing it would be the main thing that could prevent his reelection? Why did Japan agree to cooperate?
     
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    When was the last time this “world government” got together and decided to massively shutdown the global economy? Who exactly do you think is benefitting from this?

    I don’t need such outlandish theories to understand what is going on. The coronavirus has spread and mutated and scientists who have studied it understand why, modern technology has allowed us to develop various vaccines and treatments to curb this spread and its effects, and people who are prone to believing in conspiracy theories will appeal to those theories in order to justify in their own minds their refusal to cooperate with health officials who are trying to curb the spread. This is playing out exactly as one would expect, and the unfortunate thing is that the internet has allowed this latter group of people to spread their theories so rapidly without any real evidence to back it up.

    Case in the point, someone up above posts an article from a website purporting a huge surge of illnesses among sports athletes who received a vaccine. And all that’s given as evidence are some scattered anecdotes. This is not evidence. But gullible people will see the headline and be convinced that there must be something there.
     
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    So, why would politicians be supporting vaccine mandates now, when before they said it wouldn’t be needed?

    What’s more likely:

    1) There is no medical argument for a vaccine mandate policy. The economy can go back to normal without much risk, and politicians just want to make this as difficult as possible for everyone involved.

    2) There is a medical argument for a vaccine mandate policy given how contagious Delta has shown itself to be. Getting as many people vaccinated as possible is sincerely believed by public health officials (world-wide) as the best way to move forward safely without a huge surge in COVID infections.

    If vaccines are not actually important and are actually dangerous, have you considered why it is that the rich and powerful are the most likely group of people to be vaccinated?
     
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    Man, you've really gone off the deep end. Sincerely hope you can find your way back.
     
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    For whatever reason, I've been paying attention to coachbadlee's posts here since last year. He went from "guys, I don't know about this covid stuff. I keep hearing things about it..." to his current "Open your eyes! They are lying to you!" posts. Sadly, he isn't the only one who has made this transition.
     
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    That's from MSM. I thought they were untrustworthy or is that when they don't agree with you?

    Anyway, please post the verifiable information showing widespread deaths due to the COVID vaccine or info about folks who have suffered other debilitating problems due to the COVID vaccine. I can't find any.
     
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    It wouldn't surprise me if they did. Again Fox Newscorp has had some of the strictest COVID-19 measures of any business. They were one of the first major businesses to shut down and go remote at the beginning of the pandemic. They require either vaccination or mandatory testing of all employees. All of their media personalities including Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity are vaccinated.

    Newsmax has also announced that they are going to require their employees to get vaccinated.
     
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    Increases in COVID‐19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the U

    typical response from your type. If we post from anything other than MSM we're conspiracy theorist or we’re stupid for posting from BS sites. Now you’re crying about me using MSM. This is why I stopped engaging you. You’re a waste of my time.

    as for the second part of your post, doesn’t that bother you that you can’t find any information about number of true deaths and adverse affects? It should but you’re just a sheep and you do what you’re told. Just like the people in the 70s. You know there were whistle blowers back then as well. They were immediately labeled crazy anti government anti vax conspiracy theorist by people just like you. I’m expecting the same outcome. Enjoy what comes with your blind compliance.
     
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    Absence of evidence isn't evidence.

    Anyway, a number of years ago a black woman claimed her son was beaten by the Houston Police while in custody. Do you know what her evidence was? Her evidence was that there WASN'T A MARK ON HIM. That proved they beat him according to her.
     
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    So you are in favor of:
    -Increasing vaccination rates
    -Masking
    -social distancing and restrictions for events
    -limits and restrictions on restaurants & bars
    -increasing funding for therapeutics

    If you are basing your argument around this research paper then you are making a case for masks mostly, and as the article states.... INCREASING vaccination rates. The research is only showing pretty clearly that if you ONLY vaccinate you are still going to have covid problems.

    This paper is NOT helping your argument for all of us becoming antivaxxer right wing conspiracy theorists like you'd like. Quite the opposite if you actually read the article you are basing that argument on.
     
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    SMH. There is evidence. You just refuse to look at it because you’re brainwashed. I bet you watch the view. This reminds me of you and Sam fisher.
     
  15. bobrek

    bobrek Person, woman, man, camera, TV
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    Link, please? I have searched and searched and have found no widespread reports of deaths or severe side effects.

    You guys keep claiming it's happening and the evidence is out there, yet y'all never cite any sources showing widespread death or side effects. If the evidence of such exists, why not post it?
     
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    First off I don’t want anyone to be an anti vaccer. I’m not an anti vaxcer. When you use language like that it just shows you’re closed minded.
    Secondly, right wing conspiracy theorist? That language just proves this is political to you and it’s a waste of time talking to you. You’ve allowed your political views to convince you you’re right.

    Findings
    At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable rela- tionship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days (Fig. 1). In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million peo- ple. Notably, Israel with over 60% of their population fully vaccinated had the highest COVID-19 cases per 1 million people in the last 7 days. The lack of a meaningful asso- ciation between percentage population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases is further exemplified, for instance, by comparison of Iceland and Portugal. Both countries have over 75% of their population fully vaccinated and have more COVID-19 cases per 1 million people than countries such as Vietnam and South Africa that have around 10% of their population fully vaccinated.
    Across the US counties too, the median new COVID-19 cases per 100,000 people in the last 7 days is largely similar across the categories of percent population fully vaccinated (Fig. 2). Notably there is also substantial county variation in
    new COVID-19 cases within categories of percentage popu- lation fully vaccinated. There also appears to be no signifi- cant signaling of COVID-19 cases decreasing with higher percentages of population fully vaccinated (Fig. 3).
    Of the top 5 counties that have the highest percentage of population fully vaccinated (99.9–84.3%), the US Cent- ers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) identifies 4 of them as “High” Transmission counties. Chattahoochee (Georgia), McKinley (New Mexico), and Arecibo (Puerto Rico) counties have above 90% of their population fully vac- cinated with all three being classified as “High” transmis- sion. Conversely, of the 57 counties that have been classified
    as “low” transmission counties by the CDC, 26.3% (15) have percentage of population fully vaccinated below 20%.
    Since full immunity from the vaccine is believed to take about 2 weeks after the second dose, we conducted sensitivity analyses by using a 1-month lag on the percentage population fully vaccinated for countries and US counties. The above find- ings of no discernable association between COVID-19 cases and levels of fully vaccinated was also observed when we con- sidered a 1-month lag on the levels of fully vaccinated.

    if this information doesn’t bother you you’re an idiot.
     
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    Maybe because all of the lies are being fed to us from the beginning. One can only listen for so long before you wake up and just simply tune them out.
     
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    Looking at the stats this morning, it definitely seems northern states that are getting colder have WAY more positive cases at the moment.

    6 of the 7 states with the least amount of cases are Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, Georgia, Louisiana, Florida

    Northern states are seeing almost 6 times more cases: Minnesota, Michigan, North Dakota, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, Vermont (highest vaccination rate)

    Looking at the stats, I don't even see how the case can be made that vaccination rates have much correlation with preventing spread. Or at least it's impact is so little that other outside factors completely dominate it to the point of not even being discernible.

    There's no doubt unvaccinated people are dying at rates MUCH greater than vaccinated. But even deaths in states aren't as skewed to vaccination rates as you'd expect (maybe because other factors affecting spread like temperature are muddying it up) .
     
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    https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-11-pfizer-biontech-moderna-profit-analysis.html

    Pfizer, BioNTech, Moderna making $1,000 profit every second: analysis


    Pfizer, BioNTech and Moderna are making combined profits of $65,000 every minute from their highly successful COVID-19 vaccines while the world's poorest countries remain largely unvaccinated, according to a new analysis.

    It is obscene that just a few companies are making millions of dollars in profit every single hour, while just two percent of people in low-income countries have been fully vaccinated against coronavirus," Maaza Seyoum of the African Alliance and People's Vaccine Alliance Africa said.

    "Pfizer, BioNTech and Moderna have used their monopolies to prioritise the most profitable contracts with the richest governments, leaving low-income countries out in the cold."

    Pfizer and BioNTech have delivered less than one percent of their total supplies to low-income countries while Moderna has delivered just 0.2 percent, the PVA said.

    Currently, 98 percent of people in low-incomecountries have not been fully vaccinated.

    but it’s not about the money right guys????



     
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    I think like most other businesses, money is always a goal. It isn't bad when companies and individuals use legal means to make profits. That is especially true with the products they make are valuable to society as a whole.
     

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