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CSMonitor: France may block NATO efforts in Darfur

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  1. basso

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    Can nations be assclowns?

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0503/p08s03-comv.html

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    NATO's Toe in the Darfur Crisis
    The Monitor's View

    Two years after civil war began in Sudan's Darfur region - leaving 1.8 million people uprooted and perhaps 160,000 dead - pieces of a solution are starting to fall into place.

    International efforts to end this tragedy in Africa's largest nation, however, aren't thorough enough. Roving Arab militias still attack, although less often; and these armed men on camels and horses still appear to be receiving help from Sudan's government, although not direct Army support in the attacks.

    Without peace imposed there soon by outsiders, the world will need to bear the costs of huge refugee camps in and near Darfur - one of the largest humanitarian crises in recent decades - because few refugees will want to return home.

    The latest piece of a solution is a decision last week by the African Union (AU) to triple its troops in Darfur to 7,700 and ask NATO for logistical support. Even that additional foreign presence in a region the size of France wouldn't be enough, but it shows confidence is growing that outside intervention can be effective.

    Sudan's government tacitly approves NATO's potential role in Darfur, but France, which has preferred a strictly European role in Africa's crises, may be ready to shoot down this request of NATO by African nations.

    So far, France has preferred to deal with Darfur by weaker measures, such as UN Security Council steps to impose sanctions on Sudan and put Darfur's attackers on trial (if they can be caught). These have been inadequate. Only by backing AU troops with essential NATO planes and other equipment can the Arab militia, known as Janjaweed, be intimidated to give up for good.

    NATO's post-cold-war role has yet to be defined. It wasn't included in the antiterrorism invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. Now it has a chance for a limited role in an African conflict. The US would like more NATO intervention on the continent - perhaps with the AU leading - to keep failing states from becoming home to terrorist groups. If France again fails to back the US in such ventures, NATO itself may wither and bilateral ties worsen.

    Darfur can't be made whole without more money; troops,;and a more united, international effort. The UN can do only so much without the added might of Western powers and a bigger role for African troops.
     
  2. FranchiseBlade

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    This would be a situation where I hope with bringing in eyewitnesses and accounts of what is going on would be able to either persuade France, or at least everyone but France. If France blocks the efforts, then other nations should agree to go around France, and take action anyway.
     
  3. basso

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    it's hard to believe france doesn't know what's going on- this is a power play, contra NATO, and for the non-existent EU defense forces. so while france plays politics, more people die.
     
  4. NJRocket

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    French ones can
     
  5. basso

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    "clown d'abruti"

    or, auf deutsch:
    "Arschlochclown"
     
  6. SamFisher

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    abruti? Wouldn't one use some variation of "cul" like "clown-cul"
     
  7. basso

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    you'd think, but that's not what babelfish says...
     
  8. No Worries

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    Well at least the US has been doing the right thing in Sudan ...
     
  9. basso

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    sad that the board seems to care more for sexy highschool cheerleaders than for the victims of dafur. can't pin it on america, i guess the "liberals" just don't care...
     
  10. Sishir Chang

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    To play devils (or France's) advocate here for a moment this doesn't sound like France is against doing something about Darfur but would rather have the EU doing it instead of NATO.

    This being an opinion piece how can we judge that France is preferring weaker measures. Has France explicitly ruled out using EU planes and equipment to support AU troops? Does it have to be NATO equipment and NATO command structure?

    I think this is a very important point. NATO's purpose was a joint defensive alliance against the Soviet Union. It wasn't meant to act as a peacekeeper or project power outside of the European theater. I'm not sure whether it is right to presume that NATO should take on this sort of role when another organization or countries acting on their own could do this.

    Just some stuff to think about.
     
  11. SamFisher

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    Um, since Sudan's government is an outlaw regime that instigated and sponsored the genocide/war in Darfur, I tend to discount their tacit approvals/vetoes with regard to that question
     
  12. mr_gootan

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    clown d'âne?
     
  13. FranchiseBlade

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    Several liberals have already posted here. France isn't just being contra NATO. They are being negligent. Start a campaign so we can end that negligence pronto. Your claim that liberals just don't care is off the mark.
     
  14. SamFisher

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    Let's see, we have a Republican President who has made unilateral military intervention (with a post facto emphasis on human rights and democracy) his calling card, a Republican congress willing and able, and the reason why they can't do anything are the "liberals" on the Clutch BBS who aren't posting enough and France.

    Ha ha ha, ha ha ha ha ha, ha ha ha.
     
  15. basso

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    so in iraq, you slam the admin for taking unilateral action, and ridicule the notion of taking any action at all if it was merely to "liberate" the country from saddam, a man who killed hundreds of thousands of his own people, yet in sudan you castigate the admin for working multilaterally, and for alrgely the same reasons. so which is it? is it wrong to act alone and liberate millions of people, or wrong to act in concert with other nations to avoid genocide?
     
  16. SamFisher

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    I'm not castigating anybody, I'm castigating your castigation, Baldassare.



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  17. HayesStreet

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    The EU doesn't HAVE any planes and equipment.
     
  18. SamFisher

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    (continued), premature post

    There were many, many, many strategic reasons against the Iraq war. de facto Unilaterality was merely one of them, but it wasn't because Unilaterlity was or is morally wrong, it was for the accompanying negative geostrategic consequences in that time and place - I'm not in the high horse business, that's others domain - I'm in the smart horse trade.
     
  19. basso

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    is a renaissance man the liberal definition of a progressive?
     
  20. rimbaud

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    That would be best, based on the "papier-cul" model.

    Oh yeah, the world needs to stop ignoring Africa.
     

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