Right now, the Rockets future roster looks like this. 1 superstar, Steve Francis. + Role Players. Shandon, Walt, KT etc., Cato. Adding Croshere, who will be a role player, is nothing to get exited over. I would much rather see the Rockets wait a year, dump some salary(walt, etc.) and pull an Orlando and try to acquire at least an allstar, and use the draft to add the last piece. Francis , Anderson, Rookie, FA, Cato makes more sense to me than to do several small things each year. ------------------ Starting at shortstop, for the Houston Astros, Nomar Garciaparra.
Nomar: We get Croshere and then we get Webber after next season, duh! Where have you been! ------------------ Great players aren't always great, they're only great when they have to be
Only overpay Croshere if Mobley leaves or in the extremely rare case that Mobes agrees to be 6th man. Other than that there is no room for Lewis or a top draft pick next year. ------------------
Play Maker, i dont want to get started on the wrong foot here. So this is not sarcastic at all. I promise! We will not get webber next year. Even if sac isnt a contender, webber will not come. What i was thinking was, we could pick up finley cause of the texas connection, then get a pf in the draft like curry, woods, haywood. we have a plethora of picks to trade with right? ------------------ Starting at shortstop, for the Houston Astros, Nomar Garciaparra.
Nomar, "....and pull an Orlando...." The Magic pulled an Orlando and it did not go exactly as planned. Duncan is still a Spur. Do you have a fallback plan if the first option fails? Mango ------------------ 1. Put new topics in the proper forum 2. Use clear wording for new threads 3. No duplicate threads 4. Conduct yourself as an adult The Serious Police are watching Donate Blood! All will be assimilated.
Gascon: what do you dislike about Croshere so much? Let's put it this way... he did better than Kenny Thomas... with fewer minutes. He can hit the 3, post up, rebound, and play D. He also hustles every minute he's on the floor, which one can only say about Shandon, Steve, and 'Los right now. Furthermore, Houston has NO frontcourt offense right now. ANYTHING is an upgrade... and gambling on Webber simply isn't worth it, given that the odds are stacked against us (Sacramento or a Detroit reunion look FAR more likely). Croshere looks like he might be a 15 and 9 player... (look at his per minute statistics... not perfect I know, but it helps)... those are rare. Only one way to look at it, though... in the end: Croshere is better than KT, Walt or Los. When you have the chance to improve, you do it. ------------------
I think you guys are missing the point. TEAMS win games not just superstars. How many superstars did the bulls have during their championship run? ONE! They played as a team and if the game was close, then MJ took over. If the Rockets get Croshere, (which I think is going to happen)then they will have several quality role players & ONE future superstar in Francis.I don't think he is there yet,because he is still learning. I like our role players better than the ones that Chicago had. While Francis won't be in the same league as MJ,(as if anyone could) he will still be able to take over a game when it is needed. Now,I'm not saying that I wouldn't want another superstar on this team. I'm just saying that we have one & need to surround him with the best role players that we can get. Enter Croshere. ------------------
okay, I know it is a long shot, but you do NOT know that Webber will not sign here next off-season. But it is even more of a long shot that the Rockets will be able to land Finley. First off, Dallas is not going to trade him. He is their Franchise player. And if they were to trade him, it certainly wouldn't be to their Houston rival. But hypothetically, let's say that the Rockets wait till next year and then land him through free-agency. Well, the backcourt is already set, so someone has to get cut. Can't get rid of Shandon and screw Houston's FA rep, so bye bye Mobes, if you had decided on being here after all. So now you have the two stars, but a short starting team and one that still has a problem with the frontcourt. Its basically the same team as now. Sure, Finley would make more of an impact than Mobes, but not enough to make up for the aforementioned frontcourt. It makes no sense to try to solidify the Rockets greatest strength, but rather work on the weaknesses. Croshere is better than any frontcourt option the Rockets have right now, so it is imperative that the Rockets try to sign him. What is the texas connection? Some new gang? A lotto scratch game? ------------------ blah blah blah
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Sure, Finley would make more of an impact than Mobes, but not enough to make up for the aforementioned frontcourt. Doesn't Finley play the small forward postition??? ------------------ You ain't gotta like me, you just mad cause I tell it how it is, and you tell it how it might be.
Rockets have traditionally been a win now type of franchise. Making the move to secure victory at big risk. We won't wait for Webber. We're going strong after croshere. ------------------ humble, but hungry.
Mango: The Magic got Hill. Thats good enough for me. Haven: I agree Croshere would be an improvement over any PF or SF we have right now. My point is that we should save the cap space for next year. Hottodie: The Bulls had a superstar, and 2 allstars in Jordan, Quitten, and Rodman. I know we cant get a superstar, but at least and allstar. Crisco Kid: Finley is a SF. We can keep Mobes, and Shandon. Rotate the three at the 2/3 spots.We have draft picks to use next year for a PF, or at least trade bait. You have know idea how much Finley would help. New Jack: Thats right, Finley is an awesome SF. ------------------ Starting at shortstop, for the Houston Astros, Nomar Garciaparra.
I like Croshere but wouldn't want to pay him what he wants. Would much rather work on getting a PF and resigning Mobes. Run Francis, Mobes, and Anderson at the 1, 2 and 3 respectively and then work on getting a strong PF. Don't know about Webber though. He's always whined about where he plays. Didn't like Golden State and doesn't really like Sacremento either. He liked Washington but only cause he liked playing with Howard. What's this guy going to think about Houston? Much rather work on getting someone with a good attitude. ------------------
Finley starts at the 2 spot. He is interchangeable between the 2 and 3, but his position is the 2. Ced Ceballos started at the 3 for Dallas. ------------------ HOOP-T ------------------
Sometimes I think some of you only care about superstars. Look, you don't want to pay him what he wants? 5-6 mil? For a guy who looks to average 15 and 8 or so? That's pocket change. Look at what has happened to the teams that stockpiled free agent money... that's right... they're ALL BEING DISAPPOINTED. Even Orlando isn't really going to be a contender... they'll have Tracy McGrady, Grant Hill... and uh... not much else. Chicago might win 25 games if they're lucky. The free agent market's impossible to predict... and if we have a chance to get a near all-star (I think he'll fall just below that line) caliber frontcourt player, we have to do it. As was suggested, one can trade him later. Croshere's the type of player everyone wants on their team. But give him up in the effort to pull an Orlando (or worse, a Chicago)... NO! ------------------
"I like Croshere but wouldn't want to pay him what he wants." What exactly does he want? What if he'd be content with a starting role as an SF or PF (where he'd be a GIGANTIC improvement over what we had last year) rolled in with the little 2.25 exception? Croshere cares more about PT, being in a good place, with good coaches, and good facilities, all of which he could get here. ------------------ The more lefties on your team, the better. Collier is Seven Foot and Left Handed. How can you go wrong? Trade or bench Kenny Thomas.
So the plan is no to sign Croshere to a sizable contract, because he would improve the 2001 team. Assuming we have multiple picks next year, we could try to move up?? to a high spot and grab a future all star level player. That would close the team for further improvement. i see the rockets as needing 2 things. a SF and a PF. i see those being filled by one a draft pick, and two a free agent or a traded player. i see that croshere COULD fit on the team, but is he the long term solid answer at the 4? so that brings up the trade issue. the rockets could trade croshere + whatever, next year, and get a 4 that way. but i wonder if that would hurt our chances of signing free agents in the future. why would players come here if they thought they might get traded soon anyway? If the Rockets acquire Croshere, i strongly doubt he would be traded by the front office, leaving him as the starting 4, where he would get blown away, or the starting 3, where he would get blown away.(by top level teams) I see Austin Croshere as a Cuttino Mobley. Someone to come off the bench, and give the team a spark. Unfortunately, we cant afford to pay two awesome bench players. Croshere vs. Mobley? winner = mobley. ------------------ Starting at shortstop, for the Houston Astros, Nomar Garciaparra.
nike- that's a pretty funny post. croshere would rather play on one of the worst teams in baskertball, for less money, than to play on the team he played in the nba finals with last year. wow. ------------------
hetero, Cherish the SHORT time you will spend registered on this BBS. Mango ------------------ 1. Put new topics in the proper forum 2. Use clear wording for new threads 3. No duplicate threads 4. Conduct yourself as an adult The Serious Police are watching Donate Blood! All will be assimilated.
