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Cp3 is right we are not there

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Samiam1234, Feb 5, 2018.

  1. Samiam1234

    Samiam1234 Member

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    this rocket team is so odd.. they have the highest point differential in the league at 8.2. Yet their opponent has a better field goal and three point percentage against us... Hows this even possible.. turnovers are a wash and we have a 2 rebound edge on opponents.. But the four leading rebounding teams are Philadelphia, denver, OKC and Charlotte, and these are not dominant teams.. So rebounding edge doesn't tell me anything. I know we are good, I know we have the highest point differential. The fact that our stats tell a different story mean we can improve. The fact that opponents are shooting 47% against us mean we can really improve. Do you think getting DeAndre as a back up center for the second team and splitting minutes 24 and 24 between Capela and DeAndre will get us there.. It will be like how harden and Paul play the whole game, 48 minutes of lob city and elite paint defense :)
     
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    That's a hefty price tag for a back-up center.

    But after seeing the eagles win last night and watching offseason, I'm all for goin in. Next year or years after aren't guaranteed. Plus I believe in Morey to fix any mess in the future. I want to go all in this season.

    Bring joe Johnson, Chandler and Evans.
     
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    I like this idea in theory. Having 48 minutes of an elite pick and roll big man to pair up with the 48 minutes of elite ballhandling and distributing sounds pretty amazing. And obviously DeAndre would be a huge upgrade over Nene or Black

    The problem is how would we possibly get that done? The Clippers, I'm sure, have no interest in some combo of Anderson/Nene/young players like Troy Williams/Qi/Onuaku. And we don't have good enough picks to get that to go through either. Trading Ariza or Gordon or Luc or Tucker doesn't really help them get young players if they are going to be going into rebuild, and it would be removing our guard/wing depth to try to strengthen our Center depth. Creating an issue by trying to solve another one.

    The only way I could see the Clippers be interested would be if Capela was included. But that defeats the point completely.
     
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  4. Samiam1234

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    I want DeAndre over Chandler.. after green who is a Houstonian, DeAndre is another hometown product who will bring it.. It will be 48 minutes of lob city pick and roll which will help keep our spacing in tact.. tyson is already 35, so too much of a gamble
     
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    You really should try out the most basic of advanced stats.

    FG% and 3P% is so last decade. Rockets are #2 in the league of eFG%. GSW is #1. Plus we are #3 in rate of freethrows per field goals. So, the combination of those two (more 3s and FTs) makes us #1 in ORtg

    Does that answer your question?
     
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    Of course, we not there, we here.
     
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    When a particular algorithm starts to show opposite results, It maybe time to consider that the formula may not be accurate. As HP mentioned, advanced stats can provide a tad more accurate picture.
     
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    it does, but my point was most elite teams have elite defense that allows them to hold opponents below 45% and that allows them to improve the piint differential. We definitely have all the pieces to be elite defensively and we have seen examples of it, but then we have also seen games where teams are shooting lights out against us, and players end up having career nights, scrubs go for 30 plus.. We are just so good this year, that most of those games where teams are having their season best game against us, just allows them to keep pace with our offense or be up by no more then 5 points.. typically these teams run out of gas in the fourth Q and we put them away.. But there is definetely so much room to improve defensively, its scary
     
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    We havent got anywhere until we can do this exact same thing on the playoffs.

    I agree 100% with your Rival FG worries. No like
     
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    Those stats are so advanced here than there.

    3 games against GSW won't tell you exactly how you would fare against GSW in the playoffs any way.
     
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    Love the idea of 48 minutes of elite PnR big man but acquiring DJ right now is unrealistic because it would gut our bench at minimum, plus picks. Highly unlikely.

    The best target is Nerlens Noel. Price is much lower and his game fits much better (offensively and defensively). DJ on a switch is a disaster, especially on perimeter.
     
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    i had a feeling this whole year that opponents are just hitting lucky shots against us and it was pointed to me our defense is not good as an alternative explanation...
     
  13. Samiam1234

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    is DeAndre a free agent, because he may just join us on his own next season.. so could see 48 minutes of elite pick and roll without losing any depth :)
     
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    The Rockets' opponents may boast higher FG% and 3-point % numbers than, Houston, but that's not a great way to determine efficiency. The Rockets take way more 3-pointers and free throws than their opponents, which gives them a massive edge in scoring efficiency.

    Houston is second in the league in TS% (59.2) and eFG% (55.2). The Rockets defense is only 23rd in their opponents' eFG%, but that number (53.1%) is still a full two percentage points lower than their offense.
     
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    The simple answer to your question is this: it’s not 3pt% that governs our point differential. It’s 3pt frequency. If the opponent shoots 1% better on threes than you do(36.8 to 36.3, reality is even less than this), but you take 50 threes per game to their 20, then assuming that both teams put up an equivalent # of total FGA and FTA, you’ve got an inherent 10.6 ppg advantage over them even after accounting for the difference in percentages Our offense is totally geared towards maximizing good looks for threes. Other teams that want to beat us either have to make up those points by shooting lights out on twos, creating FGA disparities through rebounds or steals, or try to do what we do better than us.

    Not many teams out there have the talent to even begin aspiring towards that challenge.
     
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    We are not on the 2-yard line?

    What yard line are we at?
     
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    We're close. If we are "not there," it's because we haven't had a squad at full strength for very long. Defensively we can improve, but we're close. Offensively, I'd like to see Tucker really bring it. His defense is great, and his on/off splits are excellent (+7.4), but we need him shooting 38% or more from corner 3s. Going from a slightly below average 3 point shooter to an above average one would help us stretch the floor. Tucker is an important player for us. The other guy is Luc Mbah. He's shooting average overall from 3, but only 27% from corner 3's. It's low even for his career average, and well below last year's 42%. Those guys are X-factors for us against Golden State's "death" lineup; one of them will need to be playing lockdown D and not be a liability on the other end.
     
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  18. Reeko

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    there will be no DJ trade without Capela being sent to LAC...DJ backing up Capela isn’t even worth thinking about because it’s not happening
     

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