There is a suppose loophole in Wallace's contract that would allow him to be traded again this year !!! There was a story in the Chicago Tribune during the wallace trade that detailed this !!! I believe a trade to acquire Wallace will cost us but a player of his magnitude will elevate us to contend with the big 5. When he wants he can be a top 5 power forward.
who exactly can we give up, while keeping our caliber of a starting Lineup, other than Cato, i would trade anyone else... maybe. but im sure that Atl didnt trade SAR and N.Mohd, for Cato and MOT
Hawks wants him because his contract is off the book this summer, so at least we use the trade expectation, Hawks is not going to trade him away. We always can sign him as FA in the summer.
stuart scott said on espn this morning that he talked to isiah thomas about getting rasheed and all he did was smile and walked away without saying anything.............i don't know if isiah is hinting something or not, but everyone says hes going to nyc now or next season
The source of article believes it is a combination of cato , mobley and trade expection depends on what Atlanta wants to take back for him . The cap space is what they want and Wallace gives that . So i just hope we make a move !!!
all i have to say is... the knicks traded KVH for Tim Thomas... what's the friggin difference? if they don't get wallace later, then that was a major pointless trade. but if they do then damn they have a hell of a team. it amazes me how some supposedly capped out teams pull amazing moves, trade away players who only have one leg or will never play again and then get good players in return. the T-Wolves and Knicks are doing real well... hope the Rockets can get another scorer to compliment the core.
I would love to se Rwallace on this team.. but would rather wait till the offseason.. im worried Isiah to inflate his value by offering him too much money pretty much buying him outright. If your Rasheed where do you go? You follow whomever will CTC (cut the check) .. even though he likes Texas I think he will follow the money... Damn Isiah will probably outbid us.. or Dallas will pick him up. Sheed on Dallas would make them a serious title contender.. J
Sheed supposedly told Damon he's going to play in NY for the MLE. If he is set on that, playing in MSG, then where is the bidding war? If, in fact, Rox play this hand thru end of season then wholesale changes are likely -- short of a 2nd round, or later, p/o run.
I think its been stated that hes going to play for the knicks if he had to take the MLE. The rockets are one of the few teams who would be able to give him more then the MLE by the way of the trade exception. I think most of the other big cap room teams are going to make a run a kobe. I cant really see Atlanta resigning him. I doubt that Denver or Utah would make a run at him.
Well the Knicks are in one of the best positions in the League to spend over the cap. Aside from the fact that James Dolan is one of the richest owners in the NBA and he actually owns Madison Square Garden himself, (along with half of New York City as I hear it) they're the biggest market in the country so they make more money than most other teams. It's the same reason the Yankees can have such an unbelievable pay roll. They make so much money in merchandising, endorsements, television time, advertisements, etc etc etc that the salary cap just isn't even much of a consideration for them.
1. They were serious title contenders last year. Then they added Antawn Jamison and somehow that made them into serious title contenders despite the fact that's what they already were. Then they acquired Antoine Walker and again everybody said "They're serious title contenders now!" but they actually just don't seem to be as scary as they were last year. If they signed Rasheed Wallace could they even play him? Would they play him over Antoine? The only place the Mav's can really improve is at center. That's it. They don't need Rasheed.
Assuming Steve Francis and Yao Ming are untradable... Prying Rasheed Wallace away from the Hawks before the Thursday trade deadline requires the following: Atlanta doesn't think they can do better than Mobley and Cato or Mobley and Taylor with the $13.9m or ~$14.3m in 2004-05 cap space that the two Rockets will cost them. Prying Rasheed Wallace from the Hawks and Knicks after July 1st requires the following: Wallace values a $9.8m to $11m SnT to Houston more than MLE money and The Hawks want Mobley or Cato or Taylor in a SnT for Wallace. Any one of these players + the TE gives Wallace a contract somewhere around ~ $10m.
With 30 games left, I don't think they will trade anyone for anyone now. Keep the team intact, let them play hard and worry free, and judge them after the season. Only then, when you make a trade or not, other players can be convinced. From Blazers experience we already see a successful team is not about a bunch of promising talented players but a well combined and complemented group. Honestly, new or old trade suggestions and rumors are kind of boring already.
Isaiah doesn't have any valuable pieces and can't sign him outright. This final trade (Van Horn for Tim Thomas) really killed his chances. Unless he lands Rasheed in the next 2 days, expect Wallace to be a Rocket this summer. 6th man of the year (MoT) plus a trade exception and a pick is not peanuts. The Knicks have these players: Mutombo Houston Marbury Tim Thomas Othella Nazr Mohammed Frank Williams
Good posts, Gater, Sane. It would blow me away if Altanta would take on approximately $15 million in overpaid cap fodder from NY in the next two days. This summer, we are in the driver's seat. Trading Francis, for even straight up equal talent, will only improve this team so much, but probably not enough to make us a championship contender anytime soon, given the talent base of the five teams ahead of us in the West. Taking on that knucklehead Wallace, however, for hopefully nothing more than Cato and the TE, could put us on an equal footing with the other teams. Although we may rue the day we add that cancer to our locker room, the upside of a lineup of Francis, Mobley, JJ, Wallace and Yao, with MoT off the bench, would be title contention. If JVG can coach these guys for a full season, and doesn't quit, that is.
I am still holding out hope we can get Wallace in the offseason. I feel he is one of the best talents available at a price we can afford. A Wallace/Yao front line would be very, very good. I guess it is possible that Wallace will take the MLE with the Knicks in the offseason but I always got the impression he wanted more than that. Of course the Rockets could also offer their MLE. Honestly, I would think Wallace would rather play alongside Yao and with Mobley and Francis for the MLE versus the MLE in New York. But whatever. The Hawks GM has been quoted as saying "Everybody in the league knows that there are three things that we are looking for: cap space, young players under contract that we like, or draft picks, and that still would be what we are looking for today. We’d like to build an exciting team, an uptempo team, with players that we feel are athletes, players that can play more than one position." With that said. I think the Rockets could make a decent offer to the Hawks come this offseason. I feel like the Rockets could offer: Mobley+Nachbar+TE+(conditional 1st rounder) for Wallace. I am not saying it is the best deal around. I am not sure what other teams could or would offer but we can put together a package that would satisfy ALL THREE things the Hawks are looking for: 1) Cap Space = Room provided via the T.E. 2) Young players under contract = Mobley, Nachbar 3) Draft picks = conditional 1st rounder. This would allow us to make a decent monetary offer to Wallace which I think he would prefer versus MLE monies from NY. Also, if Wallace really wants to play with his boy Mobley so bad, he can take our MLE instead. His choice, more money without Mobley or less money with Mobley. I don't see the Hawks touching Cato or Taylor. There is no reason to. They just gave away big banger contracts in Mohammed and Ratliff, why would they then take on Cato's? Makes no sense. They just traded away SAR whose contract is up after NEXT season. SAR is better than Taylor. Why would they then take on Taylor's contract? To me, both of these players do NOT satisfy when the Hawks are looking for in return for Wallace. Scratch them off any trade scenarios with the Hawks right now! Other than Francis alone, the package I have above to me is the best we can offer. Honestly, to really make it work I think we have to have some help from Wallace with him "wanting" to come to Houston. FYI, If Wallace goes to the Knicks, I dont see Kurt Thomas being very happy (even if he gets pushed to center). He might make himself a FA then and perhaps he is someone we could persue if Wallace is unavailable.
For what it's worth, Detroit is supposedly hot on Sheed and can package a cornucopia of expiring contracts and a pick or two. They were interested in Sheed before Atlanta got him too, so don't be surprised if that's the final destination (this season) for Rasheed.
I saw that, too. Here's the question I have if JoeD gets 'sheed to D-troit...will he be interested in resigning him/will 'sheed be interested in resigning there? How does the Isiah/Starberry/NYC equation play out in the summer?
There would be a ton of variables there. Most notably how well the situation works out this season. After that, they would have to make certain they retain Mehmet Okur before turning towards re-signing Rasheed. I think a successful campaign (finals at least) would tend to make everyone more agreeable, and Dumars has a lot respect coming his way from players that might allow him to work things out.
In order to obtain Wallace, the Pistons would have to meet the requirements Deuce listed in his post. The second hurdle DET would encounter is does ATL want the 4 expiring contracts needed to match Wallace's pre-deadline trade value of $14.4m? Bobby Sura, Zeljko Rebraca, Lindsey Hunter and Darvin Ham. (Sort of guts their bench, but that's another story). In accepting this trade, the Hawks automatically eliminate the offers they receive in a summertime SnT for Wallace. IOW, are any of the players DET is sending worth keeping? IMO, not really . If I'm ATL, I don't do the deal unless a 1st round pick and one of Okur, Darko, or Tayshaun Prince is included in the deal. ATL would probably shy away from Corliss. If I were the Hawks, I wouldn't budge for less than a 1st round pick, Sura and Rebraca (they'd have Bird Rights to re-sign them), Elden Campell (1 more yr @ $4.4m) and one of Okur, Prince or Darko. Anything less and the Hawks could do much better in the summer IMO.
