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Could This Be A Championship Season? (A comparison to the 2001-2002 Lakers)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Absolut_RoxFan, Oct 11, 2003.

  1. Absolut_RoxFan

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    If the Rockets learn the style of JVG and put in the effort, could this be a championship season?



    Consider the 2001-2002 championship Lakers, who beat the Nets 4-0 in the finals and went 58-24 in the season. In the playoffs, they came out on top of the West, whose playoffs contained Kings, Spurs, Mavericks, Blazers, T'wolves, Sonics, and Jazz. All 7 others were definite contenders, because that's just how it is in the West, guys. So who were the Lakers' main role players?

    *Shaq: 27.2 ppg, 10.7 rpg, 2.04 bpg
    ---Comparison: Yao Ming. Has put in the work in the offseason to become easily the 2nd best center in the NBA, and is going to be the center of JVG's new inside-outside offense. And the best part: there will be no Hack-a-Yao, because his FT% is .811!!!
    *Kobe: 25.2 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 5.5 apg, 1.48 spg
    ---Comparison: Steve Francis. Can shoot, drive to the basket, be a playmaker anytime you need him. Used to be the primary scorer on the team, has expressed that he will "sacrifice anything to win a championship," which we hope means listen to JVG and distribute the ball better. He can score, rebound, and if he puts in any effort, he can easily become a good(better) defender under the tutelage of JVG, a defensive specialist.
    *Derek Fisher: 11.5 ppg, .413 3P%, not much else
    ---Comparison: Mobley, Piatkowski. Either of these guys could easily put up those numbers. And the entry pass to Shaq or Kobe? Come on, it's not THAT hard. Yes, Fisher can play defense, but Mobley and even Pike are better in other areas that more than make up for their marginal loss in defense to Fisher...and oh yeah, did I mention JVG is a defensive specialist?
    *Rick Fox: 7.9 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 3.5 apg, .313 3P%
    ---Comparison: Jim Jackson. Jim Jackson is a seasoned veteran and a solid role player. If JVG calls his number, I'm confident he is equal to or better than Rick Fox. Hell, they're even about the same height/stature.
    *Robert Horry: 6.8 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 1.1 bpg, .374 3P%, ;) .398FG%
    ---Comparison: Eddie Griffin. And not just because of the sub-.400 FG%. This comparison has been sooo played out, I shouldn't even mention it. But he's a somewhat-lightweight PF with decent rebounding ability and an outside touch. Hmmm?
    *Samaki Walker: 6.7 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 1.28 bpg
    ---Comparison: Mo Taylor. Come on guys, Samaki Walker??? MoT's better than *that*, and he's even in shape this year!!! His desire? Did you guys see him even working out w/ his shoulder all taped up??
    *Lindsey Hunter, Medvedenko, Mitch Richmond, Brian Shaw, Mark Madsen, Mike Penberthy, Jelani McCoy.
    ---Comparison: Man, they're all just roster-filler. Just kidding. Take a look at the only non-NBDL mvp, Mark Madsen, who doesn't stand out except for his somewhat heralded defense. So then, might I mention Adrian Griffin, who doesn't stand out except for his somewhat heralded defense. Ahem.

    Maybe I'm just a crazy ROX fan, maybe I'm delusional, or maybe I've had a little too much to drink tonight. I don't want to get everyone too title-hungry before the season has even started (and especially not in JVG's inaugural year), but I'm saying that if the ROX can execute JVG's philosophy of work, sacrifice, and building team chemistry, we could be in the books as the 2003-2004 NBA Champions.
     
  2. arkoe

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    The part I put in bold completely discredits your entire post.
     
  3. ZRB

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    They need playoff experience first (which the Lakers had plenty of before winning the title). If they can win a series this year, then maybe a title could follow a year or two after.
     
  4. sweetie

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    Ming is no Shaq. Francis is no Kobe. The day Ming can average 27ppg then we will be a contender. But overall,I see where the players kinda relate. Especially Horry=Griffin and Fox=Jackson.
    Think about it.
     
  5. Absolut_RoxFan

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    Eddie Griffin: Approx 230 lbs
    A solid PF weight: 250-270 lbs (Karl Malone: 260 lbs)
    Therefore, Eddie Griffin is a somwhat lightweight PF
    Robert Horry played at either SF or PF, frequently guards PF b/c of his height, but isn't bulky enough for the position and isn't versatile enough for the 3 spot. Man people have called him a lightweight PF.

    Eddie Griffin: 3P% 2002-2003: .333 He has an outside touch.
    Robert Horry career 3P%: .338 He has an outside touch.

    Therefore, the reply you posted completely discredits your entire existence.
     
  6. Absolut_RoxFan

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    I didn't mean that Ming has Shaq's exact game or presence, and I didn't mean that Francis' game is just like Kobe's. I meant that both of them could make comparable impact on the game, and could put up comparable numbers. But mostly, have comparable impact on the game.
     
  7. Absolut_RoxFan

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    OOPS, I forgot Devean George. My bad. Umm...

    Devean George doesn't count because he's too ugly. End of story.

    Just kidding. If you prefer, compare Mobley's impact to Derek Fisher's, and Devean George's to Piatkowski's. Both Devean George and Pike like the outside shot, neither are needed as starters, and can't play worth sh*t in the post. Good enough?
     
  8. Absolut_RoxFan

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    So it's a Cinderella story. So sue me. I'm dreaming, and they can do it.
     
  9. sweetie

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    I know. But what I meant is that Ming isnt near Shaqs impact. Shaq can literally score while being triple teamed. He has proven he can dunk the ball with guards hangin on his back. He is literally unstoppable. He gets low post position very easily and dunks over everyone including Ming.

    Ming can be stopped fairly easily it was proven last year. There are two ways,either double him and he has to pass out,or just push him out of the paint to force Cuttino to shoot off balance. Im not blaming Ming,but Shaq is simply maybe the best of all time.

    IN crunchtime of close games,the Rockets have to draw up plays to try to get Ming open. The lakers dont do that. They just simply toss it to Shaq and he runs over everyone and the refs dont call it. Thats why the lakers can always pull the game out at the end.

    On Kobe vs Francis.I just dont see it. The main part your stats dont show here is defense. Defense wins championships. Even if Francis averaged more than Kobe ,Kobe would still win more games because he shuts down the opposing best guard on the other team most of the time. Steve doesnt do that.

    Look at the spurs team IMO is who we should copy after. Ming is more close to Duncans style than Shaqs. The spurs dont have a Kobe. They dont even have a Francis. They still beat the lakers though with smart,crisp passing,fundamentals. The missing link is that the spurs had David Robinson and now Rasho,while we are stuck with Griffin and Taylor. But I havent studied Rashos game to know,so this year I think lakers win it.
     
  10. rockbox

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    When Ming or Francis becomes one of the 5 best players in the league, we will be championship contenders.


    All the contenders except the Kings have one of the top five.

    Spurs - Duncan is best player in the league
    Lakers - Shaq is the most dominate player in the league and Kobe is the second best 2 guard.
    Kings - this the exception. They still had 2 all-stars (former MVP candidate and best outside shooter in the league) and the deepest bench ever.
    Dallas - Dirk is the second most unguardable player in the league behind Shaq
    Nets - best PG in the league but they aren't contenders.
     

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