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Could The U.S. benefit from Conscription [Mandatory Military Service]?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rocket River, Sep 7, 2011.

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Could The U.S. benefit from Conscription [Mandatory Military Service]?

  1. Yes!

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  2. No!

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  3. College should be an Alternative

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  1. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

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    At the age of 18 . . . you must do 2 yrs in the military

    Do you think this would benefit the country?
    Military training and discipline. Kids would come out with a skill
    maybe some confidence and a stronger sense of ethics?
    More worldly and aware of things outside their neighborhoods
    More focused?

    Rocket River
     
  2. ipaman

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    i think voluntary conscription could work. but it would have to be very short terms, 3/6/9/12 months max. enough to instill values/life skills and training as you said. also offer other training besides pure military, maybe skilled trades i.e. construction, mechanic, welder, masonry, etc...

    those who are interested would get surely sign up. it could be an option for those who are not interested in college. there will be interest due to short commitment and training available.

    as forced, long-term conscription, would never happen in this country.
     
  3. RedRedemption

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    Hell no. Very few things are mandatory in this country; let's keep it that way.
     
  4. Kojirou

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    The Army doesn't want them, and making the Army an institute of social change for the sake of social change is absolutely idiotic, as that's not the purpose of an Army. That alone should be an argument against conscription.
     
  5. DaDakota

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    I think either Military, or Civil service would not be a bad thing, maybe a 1 or 2 year committment.

    Have both contain the ability for matching funds for college.

    DD
     
  6. JuanValdez

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    No.

    1. What is the military going to do with all those people? I think you get diminishing returns and you'd end up with a lot of recruits you have to feed, house, and train that don't return enough value to make it worthwhile for the military.

    2. It would water down the military experience because of the crush of undermotivated and/or undertalented recruits that need to be processed. This conscripted population wouldn't get the same rigor of discipline and training that the current Army gets.

    3. There's actually worthwhile things young adults can be doing in school or work that would be delayed by a stint in the military.
     
  7. raj87

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    I vote "No". With that many conscripts, they would likely spend the majority of their time cleaning and eating.
     
  8. Dubious

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    I wouldn't against a mandatory 2 year commitment but it should be the military, national social work, international social work, public works training and work, or college with a minimum number of credits and grades.
     
  9. conquistador#11

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    Why not make rotc mandatory? Start at age 15. Those that want to continue can continue on..
     
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    That would be a great start to getting some of these thugs off the streets by teaching them sense of ethics a useful skill in they would get from joining the service.
     
  11. robbie380

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    I think it would help greatly in terms of all those aspects and I would be in favor of it.
     
  12. Samurai Jack

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    Not necessarily military, but i think two years of some type of public service should be required.
     
  13. rocketsjudoka

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    The only major good that I can see about it is with almost everyone being directly affected in some way by the military, as in either serving or having close friends and families serving, that might make politicians think much much more carefully about using the military.
     
  14. geeimsobored

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    Unless you plan on giving the military police functions (something people in the US are strongly opposed to), this would be a waste. The only reason something like this works in Israel is because they use the military as police. For example he military there mans all checkpoints (something border control would do in the US) and they station soldiers at places like train stations (something police do here).

    The tea party is already paranoid about the power of the federal government. Imagine their reaction when the army starts to take over basic law enforcement functions.
     
  15. Rocket River

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    1. The Value is in the discipline, and the training and experience. These would not show up in year 1 or maybe not 2 . . .however I think it would 10 yrs down the line. I think alot of Americans suffer from localism [made up word] We are far to regional and not as 'integrated' as we think because alot of people rarely see anyone outside their localities. I think the benefit of intermixing maybe helpful. I think if that intermixing is international . . it would be even better. Maybe seeing the Alternatives to American would either make the appreciate it or if they see something they like. . . bring it back here and try to integrate it into american society

    2. Why would the not get the same discipline?

    3. This is why I offer College as an alternative. 2 year delay is not major . .but that is my opinion.

    Agreed. I did not think of it that way.

    I think this would go more into school reform.
    I think more discipline in schools would be a good thing
    but
    ROTC is not really like the military in that while it may have some
    of the discipline it does not have the social learning of dealing
    with people from different areas and going to different areas.

    Rocket River
     
  16. Rocket River

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    Well . . i think they did want stricted board patrols

    Rocket River
     
  17. Carl Herrera

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    Probably a good idea. Experiencing actual military life would probably make people less likely to glorify the military.
     
  18. dharocks

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    You might have some trouble selling this idea to conscientious objectors.
     
  19. Rocket River

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    I think they have Military Chaplins and various other non combatant positions

    Rocket River
     
  20. JuanValdez

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    If it's for the benefit of the people and not the military, why not conscript them into some other body and leave the military alone? Fighting wars is serious business and they could probably stand to avoid the distraction of recruits who don't want to be there.

    Because they'd have a lot of people who don't want to be there or people who would normally not pass their entrance requirements. With little expected of them and little benefit gained by the military anyway, I think the organizational tendency would be to demand less. This is a different sort of animal than the Vietnam conscription. A peace-time conscription that is aimed at social change won't have the same focus as a war-time conscription that can still screen its conscripts.

    Why just college? Why not have an exception for plumber's apprentices? On the flipside, do you give people an out if they go to a diploma mill?

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    I'm a bit surprised to see so many people thinking this is a good idea, honestly. I don't mean that it's so terrible, but that after Vietnam I would have thought people would be more circumspect. There aren't many things to State forces you to do aside from jury duty and paying taxes. This would be a gaint leap in obligation.
     

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