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Could the Rockets have a date sensitive trade on the table?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Hottoddie, Aug 7, 2004.

  1. Hottoddie

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    By this I mean, are they trading a player away, or trading for a player, that can't be traded until some future date?

    With all the silence coming from the Rocket's organization, our unaddressed holes at the PG/Center positions, & Doc Rocket's hint of a trade from out of nowhere, could the Rockets have a deal on the table that is date sensitive?

    I'm sure we can all agree that McGrady is off limits. So, that would leave Howard/Gaines/Lue as the only other players that can't be traded in a package deal until September 1. It's been reported that the Rockets love what Howard brings to the team. In fact, Howard might be the perfect PF for this team. However, if the right deal were being offered, I'd be willing to bet that they'd trade him.

    With Yao & McGrady being untouchable, that doesn't leave us a lot of trading chits, but we do have some. The TE, Howard, JJ, Gaines, Lue, Nachbar, Piatkowski, & yes, Taylor are all viable trading chits & would have some value to another team. Taylor's contract probably offsets any value that his talent would get us. So, it's probably in our best interest to keep him until his contract expires.

    If we pray, cross our fingers, & wish real hard, the recent Pike/filler for Mutombo trade rumor will get done. That'd fill our backup center position.

    Now, back to the subject of the original question.

    The speculation of trading for Antonio Daniels has been beaten to death on this board, but could very well, still be a possibility. With the recent signing of Jones by Miami, it would seem that Seattle would not want to trade Daniels anymore. But, it all comes down to what direction Seattle wants to go (Well, duhhhhh!:rolleyes: )(Sometimes, I amaze myself with my brilliance.:D).

    If they are planning on starting Ridnour (in spite of his struggles in the summer leagues), perhaps they'd be looking to trade for a veteran backup PG like Lue as insurance.

    Another question to ask is, what are they planning on doing with Rashard? His contract expires at the end of the year & you have to think that he's going to at least listen to the Rocket's offer (assuming they can make him one). It was reported earlier on, that they might entertain the idea of trading him, since Radmanovic is more of a SF & is ready to take his game to the next level.

    Anyway, this brings me to a trade idea that I've been wondering about.

    Houston sends JJ/Howard/Lue/TE to Seattle.

    Seattle sends Rashard/Daniels/Fortson to Houston.


    Fortson could be traded now (instead of Sept. 26th), because he would be getting traded for the TE, which would in essence, be a seperate trade all together.

    Rashard would give us a solid 6'10" SF, which would allow us to play 6'8" McGrady at the SG position. Talk about mismatches.

    Daniels would give us a solid PG with defensive skills & a very nice shooting touch. We could sign Ward to be his backup.

    Imo, Fortson is more of a half court player & would be a nice compliment to Yao. While he's a little short (6'8" 260lbs.) for PF, he's a rebounding demon. He'd be able to give us back some of what Cato did for us.

    If we trade Pike/Griffin for Mutombo & pick up Ward & Jon Barry, our lineup could look like this:

    C: Yao/Mutombo
    PF: Fortson/Taylor/Spoon
    SF: Rashard/McGrady/Nachbar
    SG: McGrady/J.Barry/Gaines
    PG: Daniels/Ward/Wilks(IL)


    There are probably several other scenarios out there. These are just some idle thoughts from an idle mind.:D
     
  2. swooh

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    I just cant see seattle doing this deal...:(
     
  3. dumbholly

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    i dont c the rockets giving up jj
     
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    You make some good points Hottoddie and I have the same feeling about a trade like this involving players we received in the Magic trade. There are two possible problems with your trade idea though. 1) I read somewhere that Seattle is trying to get cap room and Howard's contract doesn't fit that scenario. The other three players could all come off the books after the season, but, unless they were to move Howard in another trade (Allen for Carter?) then I can't see them wanting him. 2) I think Seattle could get alot more for a Rashard/Daniels trade, expecially since both contracts expire soon.

    Love the trade idea and I'm all for it, and stranger things have happened, but I think it would be hard for the Rockets to pull that off. But, I could be wrong.
     
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    I agree. Doesn' make alot of sense from Seattle's end of things.
     
  6. Hottoddie

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    I need to make a correction on my original post. As it turns out, Rashard's contract doesn't expire after next year. However, he does have a Player's Option that would allow him to walk away from Seattle for nothing. Does that scenario remind you of another trade that was made recently? What if Rashard quietly, behind the scenes, told Seattle he wanted to go to Houston?

    Fantasy? Most likely, but you never know.;)
     
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    With Damon Jones and Mike James signing for peanuts in their respective new destinations, and L.A. acquiring a nice package including all of our needs in exchange for essentially their garbage, I get the hunch that CD could already have something in the works like you suggest.
     
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    I don't see Seattle giving up Rashard for Howard and JJ. I don't think so!:rolleyes:
     
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    Somewhere in seattle is some numbnuts posting a dreamcast about sending Fortson to the Rockets for Yao and a first rounder....
     
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    I think Seattle only gives up Rashard for young talent, which we don't have.

    Even if he demanded a trade next offseason, we would not have Lue, they would not have Daniels, and Juwan Howard isa year older. Aside from that, he's not worth his contract, so unlike T-Mac, the Sonics would rather see him walk than take on other contracts.

    Only way this works is if he demands a trade before his option comes up, and we trade them a package, something like: Boki, Pike, Spoon and MoT for Lewis and Fortson.
     
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    I don't dismiss your thinking, Hottoddie, but you would have to throw in some sort of draft pick(s) to get Seattle to budge on a trade that would turn Houston into one of the Top 3 teams in the West.

    I do hope that Juwan hasn't bought a house in Houston yet, though. Be a shame to go to all that trouble.
     
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    Sane - Pls post again ASAP..."6660" is scary!
     
  13. Hottoddie

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    Why not?

    Howard is a solid PF that can score & rebound. He's averaged 17.8 ppg & 7.4 rpg for his entire career & he's only missed 8 games in the last 5 years. Seattle is in desperate need of a PF & just traded for Fortson. They also tried to sign Howard when he was a free agent.

    JJ gives them a veteran player that still has a lot of game left. He's a solid defensive player, a very good rebounder, & can shoot lights out. He's versatile & can play both the 2/3 positions. He's also a good ball handler & could play the PG position if need be.

    Lue gives them a veteran PG to backup Ridnour as he grows into the starter that Seattle envisions him being.

    Rashard, Daniels, & Fortson all have Player Options after next year. Fortson is the only one that is unlikely to opt out of his contract. If the Rockets have made Howard available to Seattle, they get a player that is ½ a million dollars per year cheaper & has been much more productive over the last few years. Trading Rashard away allows Seattle to shift Radmanovic to his more natural position at SF & insert Howard at PF.

    With the TE that Seattle receives for Fortson, they could send a package of TE/Ray Allen/Jerome James/#1 pick to Toronto for Vince Carter/Alvin Williams/Murray.

    This would give Seattle a retooled team of:

    C: Swift/Potapenko
    PF: Howard/Collison/Evans
    SF: Radmanovic/JJ
    SG: Carter/R.Murray/L.Murray
    PG: Ridnour/A.Williams/Lue


    If Swift turns out to be as good as projected, that'd be a solid team.

    Now, if you did a 3 team trade with Houston, Seattle, & Toronto, Seattle could redirect Lue to Toronto, instead of giving up a #1 pick.
     
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    Howard doesn't help them when you consider what they lose when they give up Rashard. Rashard is an upgrade, but he doesn't fill a current need. Fortson is a terrible player that can't shoot or defend.

    This trade doesn't bring us or Seattle closer to a championship.
     
  15. Deuce

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    That's what I am thinking as well. Or at least I am hoping. There is no excuse not to sign Damon Jones for the 2yr 5M deal he got from the Heat. If you arent willing to do that then either you are unrealistic about the market OR you have another deal lined up.
     
  16. Hottoddie

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    I'm not sure I'm following you here. Are you talking about Howard, or Rashard?

    If it's Howard, 17ppg/7rpg from your PF isn't worth $5.4 million in the NBA these days? Imo, that's cheap for that kind of production.
     
  17. dharocks

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    Not when said PF is 31 years old and is being paid until 2008.
     
  18. gucci888

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    Seattle wouldn't do this deal.
     
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    I'm with you. I could see CD holding out if the rest of these guys getting signed were all at insane prices, especially with a couple of them saying they wouldn't mind playing here. My suspicions say there is something either already done or in the works. Of course on the other hand, there could be nothing. So there you have my best opinion(s).
     
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