http://proxy.espn.go.com/nba/dailyd...ockets-woo-bosh http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?sl...=yhoo&type=lgns After reading the previous two articles I started thinking about what if Daryl Morey was able to pull off a trade for Bosh and then aquire another elite player using TMacs salary. I immediately started thinking about a Big Three similar to what Boston has only younger. Yao, Bosh and another elite player obviously sounds too good to be true but since there are articles from yahoo and espn, I figured we might as well consider the possibility of this happening. The object will be to concede the Rockets get Bosh with out Toronto getting TMac and then try to figure out what the other elite player would be and how the Rockets can acquire him using TMac and his contract. I also want to consider the effect it has on the Rockets salary and if having three huge contracts is even feasible. My first thought was what Toronto would consider for Bosh vs. what Daryl Morey would be willing to give up for him. I’m sure they would want a quality power forward to take his place once he was gone as well as some additional talent to make up for loosing Bosh. I think DM would be willing to part with some talent but I don’t think he would be willing to completely gut the team. I think he wants to add Bosh with out having to re-create what the Rockets already have on the floor. Considering this I think it is a given that either Landry or Scola would leave in this deal, the only question is which one. Personally I think the Raptors GM would prefer Landry because of his age, upside and offensive talent. Having said that I think think DM would prefer to give them Scola for the same reasons but also because Scola has been the starter and Landry is accustomed to coming off the bench. For this scenario I sent the Raptors Scola. Who would go with Scola to Toronto? I initially considered Lowry but the Raptors already have Jarrett Jack and Jose Calderon on the team so that really did not make sense. I think considering Battier’s age and salary, the Rockets would like to include him in a trade but the Raptors already have Hedo at about 9 million a year. What the Raptors could use would be someone that could play the 2 guard, young, plays good defense and has a good contract. That kind of narrows it down to Ariza. I really don’t think the Rockets want to give up Ariza because I’m sure they see him as a great bargain that is signed for the next several years, but I don’t think for a second that DM would let him be a deal killer. Scola and Ariza to Toronto but that does not match salaries with Bosh and might not be enough to get Bosh from Toronto. At this point it started becoming very clear that in order to match Bosh’s salary with out including TMac the Rockets would have to send a lot of players back to Toronto and that just would not work. So I’m while I was stumped on how to get Bosh with out using TMac I started thinking about who the other Elite player would be. I guess this is the tricky part because there are probably many different definitions for elite player. Is Ellite the same as Superstar such as Chris Paul or does it mean a possible second tier Superstar such as Andre Iguodala? It looks like Philly would be willing to give up Iggy if someone would be willing to take Brand or Dalembert but DM has already said that he would not be willing to take back either of those two contracts. I don’t think there is a team in the NBA that will be willing to take on Brands contract. However, Toronto might be willing to take a two year flier on Dalembert in order to get Scola and Ariza and if we can give them some additional cap space. Marcus Banks is sitting on Toronto’s roster behind Jack and Calderon sucking up about 5 million a year and they would probably love to dump him. As a result the following three team trade was created. Houston Rockets get Chris Bosh Andre Iugodala Marcus Banks Philadelphia 76ers get Tracy McGrady Toronto Raptors get Luis Scola Trevor Ariza Samuel Dalembert This trade looks pretty good on the surface but what affect does it have on the salary cap and would Les buy off on it? Here is a snap shot of what our salary would look like next season if that deal were made. I also made the assumption that the Rockets would cut Joey Dorsey and resign Von Wafer (Thought you would like that one DD ). Code: [b]Starters[/b] [b]2010-2011[/b] Brooks $2,016,692.00 Iggy $12,345,250.00 Battier $7,429,500.00 Bosh $17,149,243.00 Yao $17,686,100.00 [b]Bench[/b] Lowry $2,975,165.00 Von $1,060,120.00 Chase $780,871.00 Landry $3,000,000.00 Hayes $2,334,125.00 Anderson $2,500,000.00 Banks $4,847,586.00 Taylor $780,871.00 First Round Pick $1,100,000.00 [b]Total Salary[/b] $76,005,523.00 As you can see this trade scenario would put us at a team salary of right at 75 million dollars. Next years Salary Cap is likely to be around 54 million and the threshold somewhere around 66 million. This means that the Rockets would be about 9 million dollars over the Salary Cap Threshold. I just don’t see Les going that far over the Threshold. It is one thing to pay a couple of million dollars for a couple of 2nd round draft picks but it is entirely different to give away 9 million for nothing. However, trading Battier and a 2nd round draft pick for cap relief could change the look of the Rockets salary. Here is a snapshot of the Rockets Salary after a possible Battier trade. Code: [b]Starters[/b] [b]2010-2011[/b] Brooks $2,016,692.00 Iggy $12,345,250.00 Chase $780,871.00 Bosh $17,149,243.00 Yao $17,686,100.00 [b]Bench[/b] Lowry $2,975,165.00 Von $1,060,120.00 Landry $3,000,000.00 Hayes $2,334,125.00 Anderson $2,500,000.00 Banks $4,847,586.00 Taylor $780,871.00 First Round Pick $1,100,000.00 [b]Total Salary[/b] $68,576,023.00 Getting rid of Battier would leave our Salary at about 68.5 million which would likely be about 2.5 million over the Threshold. I could certainly see Les paying an extra 2.5 million dollars for this roster. In this scenario the Rockets would likely play there season with a 12 man roster (13 with draft pick) unless they could somehow move Banks and his 4.8 million dollar salary. Aaron Brooks, Iggy, Chase, Bosh and Yao would certainly be as good offensively as any team in the league. Lowry, Von, Landry, Anderson and Chuck would still be one of the best benches in the league. The Big Three of Iggy, Bosh and Yao might not be quite as good as the Big Three in Boston but I think they are comparable and the supporting cast is a lot better.
That would be an awesome trade. We would lose our big wing defenders but Iggy is no slouch as a defender though plus he can score at will. I like it and I would do it.
Really this trade: Houston Rockets get Chris Bosh Andre Iugodala Marcus Banks Philadelphia 76ers get Tracy McGrady Toronto Raptors get Luis Scola Trevor Ariza Samuel Dalembert Philly gets - contract freedom, so I guess I can see them doing it. Toronto gets - Scola + Ariza (who has played terribly) + a horrid contract I can't see any reason Toronto would do this and why these 2 teams would decide ok lets give Houston all the talent for essentially taking on Marcus Bank's contract.
You should have read the entire other thread first. Toronto is not shopping Bosh because they think Bosh is overrated and is willing to downgrade to Scola, who is expiring, and Ariza and Dalembert. They're shopping him because he may walk for nothing next season. You're telling me that Ariza and Dalembert is the best the Raptors can get for Chris Bosh? No way. I still maintain that Morey's Ace up the sleeve is to trade for Bosh for our young assets, let both him and McGrady expire, then sign a Lebron/Wade to team him up with Yao and the remaining elite role players we have.
Follow up a much more likely trade would include the Wizards who I am almost positive are trying to break that team apart much like the Artest/Jax Pacers. So Rockets getting Bosh, Butler, Maybe a bad contract or 2. No clue what other teams are getting but my guess is we give up Ariza, Landry OR Scola and Brooks OR Lowry. It seems super farfetched to think we can get 2 solid/all-star lvl players without giving up at least 2 guys with the potential all-star lvl players (AKA Landry, Scola, Brooks, and Lowry.) I don't consider Ariza (right now) a potential all-star player, he is more a solid 4th or 5th option type player.
I was thinking about this last night too?? I am thinking that we should trade either Landry or Scola + Battier for Bosh. Sure we got rid of Battier defense, but we still have Ariza. Then trade Tmac for either Iggy or even Arena (yes Arena now make a lot of sense) and i don't mind of we get back Brand either. The bottom line is you DO NOT want to give up someone like Brooks and Lowry. And the lineup of Yao, Bosh, Ariza, Arena and Brook is JUST A DREAM!!! We're getting rid of Battier but we still have Ariza to play D!! There is no reason for this team to not be able to form a 3COMBO superstars once again!! We done it before with Yao Tmac and Artest...something just didn't work out due to injuries or what not. But we can definitely have the piece RIGHT NOW to bargain and get 2 superstars to form once again the BIG THREE!!
Morey's good, but this trade scenario is a bit outrageous imo. Philly's not gonna throw Iguodala out just to get rid of Dalembert... Thaddeus Young or Speights, maybe.
Thats the word from Philly not Houston. They want to get out from under some of their big contracts. According to Philly news (you can find this in multiple threads with links) they are willing to trade Iggy and his big contract if they can unload either Brand or Dalembert's contract.
Bosh replaces Landry but with more height and defense. Keep Scola for back up 4/5. Then TMac and Brooks to NO for Peja and Paul. Battier and Taylor to PTL for Batum and Bayless Bosh/Scola Arenas/Peja/Batum Yao/Scola Bayless/Budinger Paul/Lowry Anderson Dorsey Hayes I see All Stars and championships a plenty.
As much as I'd hate to lose Landry, I'd still do it! We can just sign Landry when he becomes a FA. :grin:
i mentioned this in the bosh thread, i think morey may have a plan to try and get bosh using our young guys ( some combo of landry, brooks, budinger and/or fillers) and then use tmac's contract to get someone like a butler or iggy. Then we'd still have a few guys left over from our rotation, sign talent at a good value like Wafer, conroy, etc and use the MLE this summer too. and that gives us some star power with solid talent around them.
Could Toronto use Dalembert enough to justify taking on his salary for a year? After a year, he's an expiring contract, so not nearly as big a problem, but they'd have to be willing to do it. Otherwise, I'd say hell yes, if the teams involved are willing. Scola or Landry, I don't care which. Throw in a future protected 1st round pick. If Yao is healthy next season, we're one of the elite teams. If he isn't, we're still a contender, IMO, particularly with Adelman as coach. I like it and any of your thread ideas are worth reading.
maybe...their true center is slow and old and bargnani fits their offense but cqn defend bigs...dalembert gives them the defense a traditional center brings but also allows them to run and move on offense.
@ crash5179: whatever you take, take less of it. theoretically there's also a possibility that the cavs might trade lebron for mcgrady but that doesn't make it realistic.
