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Could federal laws prohibiting mar1juana be relaxed significantly under Donald Trump?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Nov 19, 2016.

  1. MojoMan

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    I think you guys are jumping the gun on this. Right now this is federal law, whether anyone likes it or not, and that requires the federal government agencies in charge of policing this to enforce these laws. Just because Obama and his regime are a bunch of lawless thugs who have proactively decided to not enforce federal law in a variety of areas based on their partisan preferences, that does not make it acceptable to do that. So long as this is the law, it will need to be enforced.

    That being said, regulating and legalizing mar1juana on a state basis is not something that conservatives care very much about as a matter of principle. If the states want to do it, that is fine, as long as other states are free not to.

    As is the case with most other issues, there are of course trade-offs. The widespread public disregard of the laws prohibiting mar1juana over the last 80 years (or whatever) is recognized and the comparison to alcohol in the 1920's is appreciated. However, there is in fact a connection between mar1juana usage and the use and sale of other drugs, and also the criminal culture that goes along with that.

    I would expect a law to be passed during Trump's time in office that recognizes the legality of mar1juana in reasonable quantities in states that choose to go this way and regulate it in a responsible manner. Also, I expect this passage will receive strong bipartisan support.

    Of course, there will be the necessary grumbling that it was not a more expansive relief. However, there does need to be a balance to try to control harder drugs which really do routinely ruin the lives of not only the users of these drugs, but also of their families and the communities they live in. It is also a serious burden on our larger society.

    So I do expect that federal laws prohibiting mar1juana will be changed by Congress and President Trump during his term in office.
     
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    I'm excited for weed to be legal so I can finally try heroine.
     
  3. Surfguy

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    Yea...so funding increased to the DEA and Fed raids in legal states. More people locked up. Back to old failed drug policies that lock people up. The majority of American people no longer want their money wasted on this. You obviously have your opinions that appear to be in line with Sessions. I don't believe you on the federal laws being changed under the Trump administration....which would require a rescheduling of cannabis. It is not going to happen.
     
  4. MojoMan

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    It sounds like you want them to crackdown, just so you can whinge and complain about it.

    This is a question of federalism and "prohibition" of a plant that on its own is less harmful to people than alcohol. Like you say, people do not want to waste money on this, nor do they want to deprive people of the opportunity to responsibly enjoy a little puff now and then.

    As far as agreeing with Sessions, I don't think you really know what Sessions positions on this question are. I don't pretend to. But I do not believe that he has anything like the rabid posture on this that you seem to believe that he does. But many people do want responsible regulation of it and they do not want to have a policy that encourages harder drugs and the criminal culture that comes with that.

    Unclinch a little bit here, guy. It may not be as bad as you seem to be hoping for.
     
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    So I can whine and complain about it? Get real man. I'm talking about it now because it happens to be a hot topic since Trump put Jeff Sessions in line for Attorney General...they guy who said "Good people don't smoke mar1juana". There is a real debate out there about Trump stating his campaign trail statements of "leaving it to the states to decide" and then choosing an old school guy like Sessions who appears to be heavy-handed on enforcement. And, Trump's statements before he ran for president aren't consistent with his "leaving it to the states" comments he gravitated to during the election. Is he lying about leaving it to the states to gain voter sympathy? Will he actually follow through on that statement? If Sessions were left to his own devices, then what would he do? Is Trump going to reign him in? No one seems to be clear what's going to happen. Hence, the debate about it. I'm curious to know if we are going to roll back the last 8 years of progress, start up more raids, lock more people up (with a heavy impact to minorities especially), increase privatized prisons and prison populations, and going back down the road of the failed drug war policy that never stopped anyone from getting and/or using cannabis. Americans want progress on the issue...not a rollback to the way things were.
     
  6. SamFisher

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    Well, Trump's attorney general nominee, aside from being a Klan sympathizing white supremacist, is also a notorious anti-mar1juana opponent who advocates long prison terms for anybody with a bit of weed

    So another failed thread.
     
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    Actually, the saying was that Sessions sympathized with the klan until he found out they smoked weed.

    1950, HERE WE COME!
     
  8. MojoMan

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    If Sessions is the AG, he will not get to vote on any bill congress passes on this. As far as enforcement, the AG is sworn to enforce the laws and uphold the US constitution. Just because Obama and his team routinely violated their oath on that does not make it OK for Sessions or anyone else to do so. He will enforce whatever laws are put in front of him.

    However, even if he is personally opposed to the legalization of mar1juana, which I believe that he is, it does not follow that he would necessarily be opposed to allowing the states to decide this question for themselves.

    Just because leftists such as yourself are obsessed with controlling everyone's lives and imposing one-size fits all laws on everyone that they do not support, it does not follow that conservatives think the same as you, only with the policy outcome reversed. I believe Jeff Sessions would support a carefully crafted law that allows the states the latitude to regulate and permit the sale and consumption of reasonable quantities of mar1juana.

    If that is not consistent with what the Huffington Post and MSNBC are saying on this, then I believe they are telling to it you wrong.
     
  9. sirbaihu

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    Crackdown coming. More police funds, more money for jails, more "urban" types busted. CO, WA, CA, NV, DC, MD, Mass., OR all went blue! "Not nice people."
     
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    Well it would be smart for Republicans to pass legislation legalizing mar1juana at a federal level and leaving it up to the states to decide how they personally want to handle it. Will they be that smart? I'm skeptical.
     
  11. sirbaihu

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    Wow: I agree with you on something!

    Too bad Republicans love Big Government more than grabbing p***y.
     

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