Does anyone know what the record for a scoring average for a bench player in a season is? It seems like it's fairly rare that any sixth men scores more than 15 PPG (this season was an exception. for example, the ultimate instant offense 6th man Vinnie Johnson only scored like 12 or 13 PPG for the Pistons). I can't think of a time in recent memory one of the leading scorers in the league came off the bench... The only limit on Mobley's PPG IMO is the number of touches he gets, because when he gets the ball, he has to be one of the very hardest guys to defend. That first step of his made so many guys look absolutely foolish last year. He finally became a pretty good finisher last year too. Add that to his automatic free throw shooting, and you have quite an offensive player. Not to mention, the entire team is built around his style of play. Furthermore, I have a hunch he's going to raise his 3pt % alot this season just as somewhat similar scorers (who are not known as shooters) Jamal Mashburn and Vince Carter have done. Cat had a pretty good shot already, but I bet those hours in the gym get him up over 40% on three pointer. Now, what the heck is a defender going to do? If he really does get more consistent on his outside jumper, he truly will be impossible to stop, esp. with other scoring threats attracting attention on the floor. Anyway, he's pretty much a lock to come off the bench all season barring injuries to other players. If he gets the touches (a question mark with the Mo's addition), do you think he could break the record for scoring average as a bench player? [This message has been edited by Oatdog (edited September 27, 2000).]
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Kevin McHale averaged 18 ppg in 1983/84 and 20 in 84/85. Won the 6th man award both seasons (but he did start a number of games in 85). More recently, Gatling made the All-star team a few years back as a bench player, and I think he had a high scoring average that year. Don't think Mobes will match those #s as a third option, but I could see him averaging 14 to 15 per. ------------------
I see him avg 15-17 this year. He should get the 6th man award this year. ------------------ "You look a team that's been to the mountaintop like the Houston Rockets, I'm going to put pressure on myself to be the best possible player that I can be. With the pieces they already have in place and myself, we can do some amazing things next season." Maurice Taylor
Eddie Johnson holds the record for most points when starting less than 500 games ------------------ Who's Banana?
I could easily see him scoring 18ppg or more if he would think a little harder about some of his shots. Imagine what his avg would've been last year had he made better shot selection decisions... ------------------ "I am an idiot. Admit that you are too, and we'll talk..." (response given to me by my cognitive psych prof when I asked him about mental maps)
In Cuttino's first season he averaged 9.9 ppg then in his second season he raised it to 15.8 ppg. That's an increase of 63%. If he keeps that rate up (not too likely)he'll average 25.8 ppg in 2001. The Rockets got Mo Taylor who needs to score, so I dought that Cat will get over 18 ppg in 2001, eventhough he could. The only major stat he decreased in is 3pt shooting (from .358 to .356), only a decrease of .002. Want to see his game-by-game stats for his first two seasons go to the stats section in <a href="http://www.geocities.com/cuttino_mobley/index.htm">Cuttino Mobley Online</A>. ------------------ Cuttino Mobley Online [This message has been edited by FrancisFan (edited September 27, 2000).]
I agree w/treeman he would have scored higher last season but U guys have got to remember that last yr. was his first full season as an NBA player, he is still not a matured player yet and think of what he has done so far, same goes for Francis. I have said this countless times, this guys are going to be good, NO, make that real good once they get enough experience under their belts. It seems that we seem to forget how long they have been in the league.. not very long at all. ------------------ Life moves pretty fast, If you don't stop and look once in a while you might miss it!! ... Ferris Bueler
True - both. The only thing I don't like about him is his shot selection. Like the times he would just run to the 3-line and shoot like there's 0.3 seconds left on the clock - when there are 6 minutes left in the period... Like when he holds the ball for 20 seconds and then tries to lob one up over his defender... Like when he tries to take it to the hole and dunk on a brick wall (Shaq) when he's open for a 18 footer... But those are all just rookie mistakes - hopefully. That sort of bad decision making ought to decrease as he gets more experience. And he has really only had a year and a half - he really isn't a veteran yet. I fully expect that area to improve, but even if it doesn't (which is doubtful), he's still one of the best 6th men in the business. ------------------ "I am an idiot. Admit that you are too, and we'll talk..." (response given to me by my cognitive psych prof when I asked him about mental maps)
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Treman , I agree w/what you are saying but once again most of those are mistakes that young players make, as good as Hakeem has been MJ or Drexler were in their primes they all went through the same process, mistakes are made by everyone no matter how good you are. The difference between the very good players and mediocre players is that the good players learn very quickly and the others take longer. I hope Mobes falls under the 1st category. ------------------ Life moves pretty fast, If you don't stop and look once in a while you might miss it!! ... Ferris Bueler
Exactly. Rookie mistakes, and then it's all under the carpet... I'd be surprised if his shooting % doesn't improve next year... this year. It's almost here!!!! I'm eagerly awaiting the upcoming season. I NEED to see them play... I want to see 'Cat+Steve-rookie mistakes'. C+S-M(r) sounds pretty damn fun! ------------------ "I am an idiot. Admit that you are too, and we'll talk..." (response given to me by my cognitive psych prof when I asked him about mental maps)
I imagine our leading scorer will be Francis, and then Mo. With that in mind I can't see Cat scoring more points this year then he did last. His FG% will improve, as will his decision making, but his scoring will still be around 14-15ppg - which IS quite good! The major statistical increase will probably come in his assist numbers as he learns that he can utilise his quickness and agility to set up his teammates for easier looks! ------------------
Yes, Cat could score over 20 per game. So could Cato, if he just took shot after shot. Mobley scored so much last year because the Rockets were a bit lacking in offense. Francis, Anderson, and Mobley will form a formidable backcourt, but Mobleys stats should be more commensurate with his skill this year - 15 or 16 pts. I think if he started, he could probably put up 18. That's good, folks. Think of it this way: his rookie year, he started, but played an extremely subservient role to the 3 hall of famers. Last year, he played off the bench, but had a green light every second he played. Which situation would you rather have Mobley in? ------------------ Shandon Anderson rocks. The lottery sucks. Playoffs 2001.
Everybody's making some good points about Mobley, but I don't know if anybody's really pointed out the difference between the Mobley of December and the Mobley of April. I wish heypartner could throw up that stat of his for Mobley in the second half of the season. For a great stretch of time covering almost half the season, Mobley's FG% was higher the 45%, a great number for a guard, and he was getting to the line consistently. He also was dishing the ball off to Cato and others a lot more. That's not a hot streak - that is maturity. That's the level I expect to see Mobley play at this year and the next. I, for one, don't mind seeing Mobley have the green light time after time if it's going to result in the Rockets getting bucket after bucket! ------------------
