Clippers don't get any answers Maggette again wonders where he stands with Dunleavy after the sixth man plays only 17 minutes in a 102-90 loss to the Knicks. By Jason Reid, Times Staff Writer February 7, 2007 Knicks 102, Clippers 90NEW YORK — It seems Corey Maggette's situation hasn't been resolved after all. The veteran Clippers forward again expressed confusion about his role on the team Tuesday night after a 102-90 loss to the New York Knicks in front of 18,539 at Madison Square Garden. Frustrated about playing only 17 minutes, Maggette criticized Coach Mike Dunleavy for leaving him on the bench for most of the second half while the Knicks overcame a 10-point halftime deficit in their third victory in four games. Elton Brand scored 22 points and grabbed 13 rebounds and Tim Thomas contributed 22 points — making six of 11 three-point shots — for the Clippers (24-24), who would be seeded seventh if the Western Conference playoffs began today. The Knicks (22-28), who began the third quarter with a 24-4 run and outscored the Clippers, 27-11, in the quarter, got 23 points apiece from center Eddy Curry and guard Jamal Crawford. Stephon Marbury scored 12 of his 15 points in the big run. New York went 36 for 44 from the free-throw line, and the Clippers attempted only 20 free throws, making 14. Maggette, the Clippers' sixth man, said he might have helped to make a difference for the Clippers, who have lost their last two games after winning the opener on their seven-game trip, their longest of the season. Owner Donald T. Sterling recently made strong comments about his positive view of the seven-year veteran in an impromptu meeting with Maggette, Dunleavy and General Manager Elgin Baylor. The Clippers thought things were fine with Maggette after Sterling's pep talk, but another group session might be needed. "It's just more of Dunleavy's [stuff] again," Maggette said. "I don't get it, I really don't. It's crazy. I put in work. I deserve to play. "It's totally mind-boggling to me. [It's] unbelievable that I couldn't help this team tonight. Why? Why?" Dunleavy declined to specifically address Maggette's comments, saying only that he had made a coach's decision. Maggette, who averages 15.2 points, made two of three shots from the field and scored four points. Third on the team with an average of 5.7 rebounds, Maggette had no rebounds against the Knicks, which might have contributed to Dunleavy's decision. That's fine, but let him know where he stands, Maggette said. "Give me an excuse, give me something, just tell me something," Maggette said. "I'm a grown man. I can take it." On Dec. 15, Maggette said he and Dunleavy "don't see eye to eye. Coach doesn't respect what I do. If that's the case, it might be time for me to go, move on and have a new beginning. It's better for me to go." In an attempt to end trade speculation, Sterling on Jan. 20 told Maggette, Baylor and Dunleavy that he wanted Maggette to remain with the team. He left the door ajar to trade the Clippers' second-leading scorer, telling Maggette he would permit Baylor and Dunleavy to move him in a deal that might improve the team significantly. But because of Sterling's firm stance, the price for Maggette probably would be too high for most teams before the Feb. 22 trading deadline. In the previous two games on the trip, Maggette played 23 minutes and scored 19 points in a victory over Boston and played 27 minutes and scored 10 points with six rebounds as the Clippers lost to Toronto. "He isn't listening to Sterling," Maggette said of Dunleavy. "If he listened to him, I'd be playing. "I really felt we were [past this]. I guess not, because here we go again. I'm a yo-yo, man." * -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- jason.reid@latimes.com
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I don't blame Maggette for wondering. I'm confused too. Of course blasting Dunleavy in the media was wrong, but he's trying to force a trade.
Hey, what is the perspective of Clippers fans on this? Does Dunleavy have a lot of support? How do fans feel about Maggette? I have never talked NBA basketball with a Clippers fan. That franchise hasn't even been a blip on my radar screen until Sam was traded there. Looking forward to your reply.
Here's what some Clippers fans have to say about this..... http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=282&F=2154#S=282&F=2154&T=8286 rick3262 I hope that DTS and Elgin Baylor side with Corey Maggette on this one and cut Doug Christie's ass so that Dunleavy can't pull more of his "stuff." As the season goes down in flames, Dunleavy's going to look for more people to blame, and he'll start head ******* with Maggette some more and lay the blame at Corey's door. Can you blame James Singleton and the rest of the players. When Maggette says, "It's more of Dunleavy's [stuff] again," is he the only one who thinks this or does the rest of the team as well? Dunleavy's behavior is exactly why he hadn't been hired as a coach after he got his ass fired by Portland. He lost out to Jeff Van Gundy in Houston, and the Clippers ended up stuck with him. The Clippers sold their soul for a playoff appearance and now will be mired in Dunleavy's mediocrity unless DTS does the right thing and swallows his contract. The Clippers win a few games against subpar teams who can't or won't fight back. Dunleavy shortens it to an 8-man rotation--I think Paul Davis should be included to make it a 9-man rotation, but that's not a deal breaker for me in questioning the smartest coach in the NBA. Instead of leaving things alone, Dunleavy has to tinker. He has to micromanage. It's not enough to let the team grow and develop its own identity and play looser and share the ball, he has to stick his nose in it. And what he does isn't for the betterment of the team, but it's to have the final word, not only with Corey Maggette, but with DTS and Elgin Baylor as well Corey Maggette proved his point. He can contribute and help the team win with little meddling by Dunleavy. Just roll out the balls, let the team play and offer guidance and direction when things don't go well. Instead, Dunleavy breaks his 8-man rotation after a few games and adds Doug Christie into an already overcrowded mix of wing players: Maggette, Mobley, Ross, and perhaps Livingston (when Cassell's at guard). He ignores where the Clippers might need it most--the front line--with Brand, an erratic Chris Kaman and an oftentimes out of position Tim Thomas playing at center. But Dunleavy's a Corey Maggette being restrained by his teammates incident away from replication his tempestuous misfortunes in Portland. Dunleavy's problem? His stubborn ego that won't allow his team to have success unless they do what his says. Is Dunleavy sacrificing for the team, or is he feeding his ego by trying to win the war with Corey Maggette, regardless of the cost? He brought in Luke Jackson's outside shooting to try to use that as an excuse to bench Maggette, but Jackson's shooting was horrible. Now, he's brought in Doug Christie's "defense" to use that as an excuse to bench Maggette, particularly since defense is something harder to measure than shooting. This is a sad tragedy for the Clippers. I'm hoping that Elgin Baylor can step up to heroic proportions and tell DTS that they've got to eat Dunleavy's contract before it even kicks in. I remember Eddie Futch tossing in the towel for Joe Frazier in the "Thrilla in Manilla" when most cornermen would've let a blinded Frazier go out in the final round against an inspired Muhammed Ali. This is what we need from Elgin--the courage and compassion to acknowledge the mistake that is Mike Dunleavy and move on from there Who sides with Corey? SIDING WITH COREY Corey Maggette James Singleton (sees all his minutes go to newcomers) Tim Thomas (sees different environment than in Phoenix) Cuttino Mobley (still hasn't found comfortable role with team) NEUTRAL Elton Brand (taught to be that way by Mama Brand) Sam Cassell (wants coaching job after career) Aaron Williams (likes that he doesn't have to pay for these seats) Yaroslav Korolev (likes American money; only in America does he get paid millions not to do anything) Daniel Ewing (just happy to be there) Zeljko Rebraca (see Yaroslav Korolev) Shaun Livingston (having an opinion would be too much like committing yourself to drive into the paint) SIDING WITH DUNLEAVY Quinton Ross (must be Dunleavy's illegtimate son or something) Doug Christie (in right place at right time for Dunleavy to stick it to Corey Maggette
They need to trade him. Sam needs another title to ensure his legacy as one of the greatest PGs of the game. Get Sam some help!
Spurs need to make a push for Maggette. I'm not sure they have the pieces to get him but it's starting to sound like Maggette is going to strong-arm the Clips into getting rid of him. Spurs need another wing player who can create his own shot (sorry Brent and Bruce) and Maggette does that better than 90% of the players in the league. S.A. isn't coasting, they are falling and need some new blood.
Isn't Sterling all about saving money? -------------- Houston Trade Breakdown Outgoing Bob Sura 6-5 from Florida State No games yet played in 2006/07 Vassilis Spanoulis 6-3 PG from Greece (Foreign) 2.4 ppg, 0.7 rpg, 1.0 apg in 8.9 minutes Scott Padgett 6-9 PF from Kentucky 1.8 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.4 apg in 8.4 minutes Incoming Corey Maggette 6-6 SG from Duke 15.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 2.0 apg in 27.6 minutes Change in team outlook: +11.3 ppg, +3.3 rpg, and +0.6 apg. L.A. Clippers Trade Breakdown Outgoing Corey Maggette 6-6 SG from Duke 15.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 2.0 apg in 27.6 minutes Incoming Bob Sura 6-5 from Florida State No games yet played in 2006/07 Vassilis Spanoulis 6-3 PG from Greece (Foreign) 2.4 ppg, 0.7 rpg, 1.0 apg in 8.9 minutes Scott Padgett 6-9 PF from Kentucky 1.8 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.4 apg in 8.4 minutes Change in team outlook: -11.3 ppg, -3.3 rpg, and -0.6 apg. Successful Scenario Due to Houston and L.A. Clippers being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Houston and L.A. Clippers had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. ------ Throw in a draft pick and get it done .
The Spurs do need to get more "athaletic" and Maggette could be a decent option but he wants to start and that wouldn't happen in San Antonio. He's dangerously approaching "cancer" status to go along with his lackluster career in the win/loss column -- those are two negative qualities that aren't exactly all that appealing especially to a premiere franchise like the Spurs.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=497~671~2423&teams=14~12~12 Clippers should send him to Miami for Wright, Posey, and a future first round pick...... With the addition of Eddie Jones and the improved play of Jason Kopono, Posey and Wright might have become expendable. Clippers get an expiring contract (Posey), a young promising player that will never see the floor because mike dunleavy is an idiot (and a future pick which the Clippers will squander due to Mike Dunleavy (I'm not being to hard on this guy. He passed up Danny Granger for Yaroslav Korlev) Miami brings another slasher who complements Wade. Shaq Haslem Kopono Wade Williams Bench: Zo, Walker, Maggette, Jones, Payton i believe it would put Miami over the top while keeping the Clippers back in mediocrity......
Okay, considering this and considering the reports that the Cavs are actively looking on the trade market, how about this one (Houston and Cleveland would each send a 2nd round pick to the Clippers as well - this would mainly be a money-saving move from the Clips' perspective): Houston Trade Breakdown Outgoing Bob Sura 6-5 from Florida State No games yet played in 2006/07 Vassilis Spanoulis 6-3 PG from Greece (Foreign) 2.4 ppg, 0.7 rpg, 1.0 apg in 8.9 minutes Scott Padgett 6-9 PF from Kentucky 1.8 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.4 apg in 8.4 minutes Incoming Donyell Marshall 6-9 PF from Connecticut 7.5 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 0.6 apg in 18.5 minutes Change in team outlook: +3.3 ppg, +1.8 rpg, and -0.8 apg. Cleveland Trade Breakdown Outgoing Donyell Marshall 6-9 PF from Connecticut 7.5 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 0.6 apg in 18.5 minutes Scot Pollard 6-11 C from Kansas 0.9 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 0.0 apg in 3.5 minutes Incoming Corey Maggette 6-6 SG from Duke 15.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 2.0 apg in 27.6 minutes Change in team outlook: +7.1 ppg, +0.3 rpg, and +1.4 apg. L.A. Clippers Trade Breakdown Outgoing Corey Maggette 6-6 SG from Duke 15.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 2.0 apg in 27.6 minutes Incoming Bob Sura 6-5 from Florida State No games yet played in 2006/07 Scott Padgett 6-9 PF from Kentucky 1.8 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.4 apg in 8.4 minutes Scot Pollard 6-11 C from Kansas 0.9 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 0.0 apg in 3.5 minutes Change in team outlook: -12.8 ppg, -2.8 rpg, and -1.6 apg. Successful Scenario Due to Houston, Cleveland, and L.A. Clippers being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Houston, Cleveland, and L.A. Clippers had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
Going to the Spurs would put Maggette under a coach with a stronger will than Dunleavy. The difference is Pop has the respect of his players because they know he is competent. Looks like Dunleavy is having the players turn on him just like in Portland. Once they started questioning his judgment it was over. Clips/Roxfan, I feel for you. There is no good end to this thing now that Dunleavy has the extension. I remember thinking earlier in the season he better hurry up and sign it or the Clippers might change their mind. You and I both know Sterling won't fire him and eat the contract. In the unlikely chance he does, this would guarantee the next coach would be hired on the cheap.
Why Maggette isnt starting every game and getting at least 34mpg is crazy to me. He typically shoots at a high %, rebounds extremely well, isnt soft, doesnt disappear against tough opponents, etc... I guess they like Cuttino jacking up shots and not looking for Brand? Maggette is playing almost 10 less mpg than Cuttino yet manages to score more and get to the line 7.8 times per game! He is far more dynamic as he has a post, slash, and shooting presence. Whatever, keep giving Ross 20+mpg...
Dunleavy is just an idiot. This situation reminds me of when he was mismanaging his players and their PT when he was in Portland. If you ask me, he's severely overrated.
Corey Maggette sucks. I had the misfortune of watching a Clippers game the other day and I was absolutely astounded by his ineptitude. Possession 1. Long range brick. Possession 2. Long range brick. Possession 3. Long range brick. You get the idea. ... ... Possession n. Post. Turnover. Possesion n+1. Post. Travel. Possession n+2. Drives. Blocked. (In the mean time the other team is making like a 17-2 run or something. He never passed the ball. Not once. Seriously.) Possession n+m. Drives. Blocked with authority by NBDL outcast Saer Sene into the first row. Teammates have had enough. He doesn't touch the ball again. I hope the Spurs get Maggette. Then they can suck even more.
Maggette certainly ain't god's gift to man, but there's no way he should ever be playing less than 20 mpg for that team. Ever. Normally I think whining to the press is kinda lame, but on the other hand I think the man has a point...
Corey hasn't met a shot he doesn't like, but he can be devastating with today's rules. The knocks on him are his erratic shot selection and his low assists numbers. He passes, but he doesn't make plays. Those combined deficiencies make it sink or swim with him as a main scoring option.
