Before Im slammed, let me note that this isnt a bad rap Im laying on Cuttino. Just trying to spark a decent post here in the game forum. Cuttino Mobley YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DFF TOT APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 99-00 Hou 81 8 30.8 .430 .356 .847 0.7 2.8 3.6 2.6 1.07 0.40 2.3 2.1 15.8 00-01 Hou 10 1 30.2 .460 .357 .848 1.0 3.4 4.4 2.2 1.10 0.30 1.8 2.1 18.0 Lets take a look. 3 point average is the exact same, free throw percentage is the same, rebounding is up a decent bit, but assists are down a decent bit, steals are the same, blocks are down a tad, turnovers a down quite a decent bit. The only stat that shows any realatively speakable improvement, is his ability to hit the shot. Hiking it up .3 of a percentage, which probably speaks for the the 2.2 more points per game he's averaging. For the most part those stats are almost identical for both years. My personal thinking is that outside of hitting 3 more shots out of 100 he has been the same (err, almost exact) player he was last year. I know, stats dont tell nothing, stats dont tell the story. Ive always been one to believe it does I dont think he involves his teamates adequately, but here are some interesting facts. The more Mobley shoots, the more the Rox lose. When Mobley shoot more than 11 shots per game the Rox are 3-4. I know its not much to go off of yet, but doing the same thing last year, the Rox were horrible when he put up more that 13 shots per game. Something like a .330 winning percentage about 1/2 or 3/4 through the season. That was not a full seasons worth, it was before the end of the season where he heated up. When Mobley leads the team in shots, the Rox are 0-2 Lets compare that to the other team leaders in shots. Kenny T. 0-1, who should never lead the team in shots to begin with. Walt Williams 1-0 Walt/Hak 0-1 Francis 4-1. I guess the gist of my post is in contrary to the line on the main page stating that this is Mobleys team. If it is, right now at least it doesnt need to be. Again a note, Im not downing Mobley. Im just not seeing the drastic improvement some others are. To me, he's the same player he was last year. Comments? ------------------ "I have amazing, powers of observation"...Pink [This message has been edited by Dreamshake (edited November 17, 2000).] [This message has been edited by Dreamshake (edited November 17, 2000).] [This message has been edited by Dreamshake (edited November 17, 2000).]
I see the stats as more improvement than you. But I agree with the final assessment that he is the same player and is used the same way by Rudy. Minor improvements are being more active in support defense, and taking a larger role in rebounding. Oh...by the way Dreamshake, you know I am not allowed to say I see major improvement, because that would imply he sucked last year...you can't trick me there...hehe My main comment concerns your remark about the more he shoots the more we lose. Talk about a non sequitur...this is really where stats don't tell the story. That is like saying a football team loses more when they pass more. Well, when the running game is working, you usually win. The NBA equivalent to "running game" is fluid motion and ball movement. We could probably say that the Lakers lose more when Kobe outscored Shaq....that means nothing about Kobe. That means they didn't get their "running game" going. As for Mobley, he doesn't really even paly the 1st and 3rd quarters--when we are trying to establish "the run". Most our losses (and any team's losses for that matter) occur before the 4th quarter, which is Mobley's main quarter of minutes. Mobley naturally shoots more when we are in catch-up mode, because he is one of the few players on our team who can create his own shots, plus we need him to shoot 3s when in catch-up mode. Witness the Minnesota game. Or Phoenix we can say he shot too much at the end, and we would have been better running other options, but we needed three point shots in the last minute and he had the first looks twice (missed them), those two 3's made him the high FGA guy over Francis, but we were still going to lose that game if Francis shot them and even made them. Minnesota and Phoenix game...there's your 0-2 stats right back at ya. Also, when the defenses are bogging down our other options, we lose. In those times, Rudy uses Mobley in an attempt to at least get some shots off. Defenses have shut us down for 6 minutes at a time (the 1st Laker game 4th Q), then Rudy says "screw this complicated stuff", give it to Mobley. We won that Laker game, when Mobley's free throws broke us out of the 6 min funk. Thus, the stats make it look like there is a relation to his FGA and our loses. That is misleading. The same applies to Shandon. When he shoots more, we win more. That's because we got the "running game" ball movement working. That does not mean that Shandon is the running game and we will win if we run plays for him. Dreamshake, nice to see a big post from you again, and to respond to it. cheers [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited November 17, 2000).]
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heypartner...Im going to contrary the gist of your counterpoint with two short comments. . "Mobley naturally shoots more when we are in catch-up mode, because he is one of the few players on our team who can create his own shots, plus we need him to shoot 3s when in catch-up mode. Witness the Minnesota game. Or Phoenix we can say he shot too much at the end, and we would have been better running other options, but we needed three point shots in the last minute and he had the first looks twice (missed them), those two 3's made him the high FGA guy over Francis, but we were still going to lose that game if Francis shot them and even made them. Minnesota and Phoenix game...there's your 0-2 stats right back at ya. Explain Mobleys something like 14 points in the 4th quarter of the Bulls game. The Rox were well in command by the end of the 3rd. Great to be back Heypartner. ------------------ "I have amazing, powers of observation"...Pink [This message has been edited by Dreamshake (edited November 17, 2000).]
that was stat padding...but you still have to let the Cat out in the 4th quarter or he'll start scratching the bench, even if his 4th Q time is all garbage. But he didn't shoot the most that game...eh?
No Francis did. I still believe that Francis is 8 million times more valuable a shooter, scorer, and overall player, to the Rox than is Mobley. No slight to Mobes. ------------------ "I have amazing, powers of observation"...Pink
And I still say that I am so happy we have a the most devastating power punch off the bench in NBA history like Mobley to go to when the defenses are putting us in a Francis funk with those crazy-ass double teams he tries to beat with his superhuman 8 million moves (no slight to Francis).
Most devestating 6th man ever???? Wow dont know If I couldnt find any more potent a 6th man than Mobley. Ack ack Sidney Moncrief. Ack Ack Vinny Johnson. Must go along with his quickest first step in all the NBA. But Id definately take Francis and his 8 million moves over Mobley and his 8 million dribbles till the shot clock expires. Man its better to be back than I thought ------------------ "I have amazing, powers of observation"...Pink
I dont know...last I heard there was a partisan Secratary of State, being told by a partisan Judge to non partisanly recount votes. The Partisan Secratary partisanly chose not to count them........... ------------------ "I have amazing, powers of observation"...Pink
I agree completely. Its when Mobley drives to the basket and gets to the line that the Rockets do well. Those annoying fallaway jumpers have to stop. ------------------ 2000-2001 Rockets Game Formulas: End of 1st quarter: "They're playing so well!" 2nd: "What a great game!" 3rd: "Theres no way they can lose now!" 4th: "What the ******* **** happened?!!" Revote! Revote! Revote!...... Rocket's Championship 2001!!
ZRB...I completely agree. those annoying fallaway jumpers are stunting the development of francis...goddammit!! <font size="1"><font color="> [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited November 17, 2000).]
So, dreamshake....I demand a recount of Mobley's 8 million dribbles. He is supposed to only shake twice. I think you are way off. [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited November 17, 2000).]
This is the stat that I kept saying last year would make Mobley an awesome scorer. It's one thing if you can't be stopped from taking a shot (which Mobley apparently can do at will against pretty much anyone), but it's another thing when you can't hit the shot. No one shooting 43% should be jacking up shots right and left during a game; you're only hurting your team. However, once you get over 45-47% shooting, you're going to start getting to the point where you're a consistent threat against the other team rather than a possible threat to your own team. His FG% and wild-ass shooting exhibition was (is?) the only thing that's stopping him from becoming ridiculously good on offense. ------------------ -------------- Did you know? Derrick Chievous sucked. It's true. -- from the ClutchCity.net "Did You Know" sidebar
So, can we say Mobley has been "ridiculously" good since game 36 last year, the low point of his season (almost fumbling away the game to da'Bulls). Mobley bounced back to shoot 48% the rest of the season (46 games). How about that 55.4% in the 4th Q through 10 games.
I would say a 22% reduction in turnovers is a significant improvement. ------------------ People like to slam Bush's education record, but at least Texans know how to punch holes.
Just to put things in perspective, someone shooting 43% is only going to miss 1 more shot out of every 50 shots taken than someone shooting 45%. The 43% shooter will also miss one more shot out every 25 shots than a 47% shooter. Since Mobley is averaging 12.4 shots per game, this means that he'll statistically miss one more shot over every 4 game span than a 45% shooter and 1 shot over every 2 game span than a 47% shooter. Bottom line: there really isn't a huge difference between 43% and 45% and only a marginal difference between 43% and 47%. With that said (statistics aside), I do agree with you that he needs to cut out some of the wild-ass shooting at critical points during the game and stick to smart shooting and (here's a novel concept) passing the ball when he doesn't have an open shot. He's an excellent scorer (arguably the best on the team), but he does need to exercise a little better judgement in certain situations. ------------------
Good number crunching Launch Pad. I guess I should've just said "as he approaches 50%", but I didn't want to before I checked how many people SG's were hitting that mark last year. You're right, though. My whole premise is that as he shoots a better percentage, he should get more shots because Rudy will go to him more. The more shots he gets, the better a threat he is to score. It's a case where if he's hitting a higher percentage of his FG's, then I want him to shoot more... 15-20 shots a game. Yes, even more than Steve because I think until Steve learns to "unleash", Mobley is our best scorer and best source of instant offense. But if he's going to hover around 40-43%, then, no... I don't want him taking that many shots. This is exactly what I'd like Mobley to do... consistently hit his jumpers at a near-50% clip, increase the number of shots taken, clearing the way for Francis to run rampant because at some time or another Mobley's going to command that double-team during the game leaving Stevie boy to see if he can hit an open jumper or drive the lane and throw one down. ------------------ -------------- Did you know? Derrick Chievous sucked. It's true. -- from the ClutchCity.net "Did You Know" sidebar
ZRB..I agree with the more shooting of more free throws. Did you know Cuttinos 66 attempts is only behind Jerry Stackhouse -87 and Karl Malone 71. When he takes it to the basket most of the time good things are gonna happen ------------------ Rockets Season Ticket Holder
