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Conservative movement turns on their own

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Major, Oct 14, 2008.

  1. Major

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    It seems the National Review is undergoing a purge - and in the process, losing some of it's true conservatives. First, they turned on Kathleen Parker for saying Palin is an idiot. Now, they've kicked out the founder's son for endorsing Obama.

    Original endorsement:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-10-10/the-conservative-case-for-obama/

    Followup resignation:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-10-14/sorry-dad-i-was-fired/


    Christopher Buckley, in an exclusive for The Daily Beast, explains why he left The National Review, the magazine his father founded.

    I seem to have picked an apt title for my Daily Beast column, or blog, or whatever it’s called: “What Fresh Hell.” My last posting (if that’s what it’s called) in which I endorsed Obama, has brought about a very heaping helping of fresh hell. In fact, I think it could accurately be called a tsunami.

    The mail (as we used to call it in pre-cyber times) at the Beast has been running I’d say at about 7-to-1 in favor. This would seem to indicate that you (the Beast reader) are largely pro-Obama.

    As for the mail flooding into National Review Online—that’s been running about, oh, 700-to-1 against. In fact, the only thing the Right can’t quite decide is whether I should be boiled in oil or just put up against the wall and shot. Lethal injection would be too painless.

    I had gone out of my way in my Beast endorsement to say that I was not doing it in the pages of National Review, where I write the back-page column, because of the experience of my colleague, the lovely Kathleen Parker. Kathleen had written in NRO that she felt Sarah Palin was an embarrassment. (Hardly an alarmist view.) This brought 12,000 livid emails, among them a real charmer suggesting that Kathleen’s mother ought to have aborted her and tossed the fetus into a dumpster. I didn’t want to put NR in an awkward position.

    Since my Obama endorsement, Kathleen and I have become BFFs and now trade incoming hate-mails. No one has yet suggested my dear old Mum should have aborted me, but it’s pretty darned angry out there in Right Wing Land. One editor at National Review—a friend of 30 years—emailed me that he thought my opinions “cretinous.” One thoughtful correspondent, who feels that I have “betrayed”—the b-word has been much used in all this—my father and the conservative movement generally, said he plans to devote the rest of his life to getting people to cancel their subscriptions to National Review. But there was one bright spot: To those who wrote me to demand, “Cancel my subscription,” I was able to quote the title of my father’s last book, a delicious compendium of his NR “Notes and Asides”: Cancel Your Own Goddam Subscription.

    Within hours of my endorsement appearing in The Daily Beast it became clear that National Review had a serious problem on its hands. So the next morning, I thought the only decent thing to do would be to offer to resign my column there. This offer was accepted—rather briskly!—by Rich Lowry, NR’s editor, and its publisher, the superb and able and fine Jack Fowler. I retain the fondest feelings for the magazine that my father founded, but I will admit to a certain sadness that an act of publishing a reasoned argument for the opposition should result in acrimony and disavowal.

    My father in his day endorsed a number of liberal Democrats for high office, including Allard K. Lowenstein and Joe Lieberman. One of his closest friends on earth was John Kenneth Galbraith. In 1969, Pup wrote a widely-remarked upon column saying that it was time America had a black president. (I hasten to aver here that I did not endorse Senator Obama because he is black. Surely voting for someone on that basis is as racist as not voting for him for the same reason.)

    My point, simply, is that William F. Buckley held to rigorous standards, and if those were met by members of the other side rather than by his own camp, he said as much. My father was also unpredictable, which tends to keep things fresh and lively and on-their-feet. He came out for legalization of drugs once he decided that the war on drugs was largely counterproductive. Hardly a conservative position. Finally, and hardly least, he was fun. God, he was fun. He liked to mix it up.

    So, I have been effectively fatwahed (is that how you spell it?) by the conservative movement, and the magazine that my father founded must now distance itself from me. But then, conservatives have always had a bit of trouble with the concept of diversity. The GOP likes to say it’s a big-tent. Looks more like a yurt to me.

    While I regret this development, I am not in mourning, for I no longer have any clear idea what, exactly, the modern conservative movement stands for. Eight years of “conservative” government has brought us a doubled national debt, ruinous expansion of entitlement programs, bridges to nowhere, poster boy Jack Abramoff and an ill-premised, ill-waged war conducted by politicians of breathtaking arrogance. As a sideshow, it brought us a truly obscene attempt at federal intervention in the Terry Schiavo case.

    So, to paraphrase a real conservative, Ronald Reagan: I haven’t left the Republican Party. It left me.

    Thanks, anyway, for the memories, and here’s to happier days and with any luck, a bit less fresh hell.
     
  2. durvasa

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    I wonder if the NR would have let him go on their own. Likely not, I think. Too bad they wouldn't stick up for him, though.

    BTW, "Mum" and "Pup" -- do Americans talk like that, or is that a peculiarity of the Buckley family?
     
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    Pretty amazing story. As much as I disagree with a lot of his politics, I have to admire his courage in taking a stand. It's a pretty shining example of what could be.
     
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    I'm not sure how any true conservative can say that McCain will obviously be a much better option than Obama. In line with the co-opting of the term "liberal" by the radical wing of the left, "conservative" has now been co-opted by the religious fundamentalists on the reactionary side.

    Being a "conservative" or "liberal" should be about sticking true to your ideals regardless of which party espouses them. It also means calling out people who do not espouse those ideals, regardless of which party that person represents.
     
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    That was a great write-up by Christopher Buckley. The so-called conservative movement is bankrupt. It isn't about the free exchange of ideas. It's all about hating the other side, scare tactics and demagoguery.
     
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    The Bush and Roger Ailes partnership have done wonders in forming an army of mediocre morons who are willing to die on paper at a single gut feeling.
     
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    I'm convinced that people who call themselves Conservatives nowadays have no clue of what real conservatism is. They wouldn't know Barry Goldwater from Simon Cowell.

    The beginning of the end is when Conservatives took on religious issues. Goldwater warned in the early 80s that it would destroy the Conservative movement. He was right.
     
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    great article
     
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    McCain campaign attacks Bill Kristol: ‘He’s bought into the Obama campaign’s party line.

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    Oh, so now even (a part of) Fox is in the Obama tank. :D
     
  12. Major

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    Here's the good version of this - after this election, there's going to be a civil war within the GOP. And hopefully these guys win:

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  13. Lil Pun

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    Damn, can I get a transcript or synopsis of what the situation was and what was said in that group? I hate not having speakers at work. :mad:
     
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    Some nutjob slamming muslims then getting confronted by a mccain campaign muslim
    Making claims obama is a socialst muslim and when asked for proof says alot of stuff but i dont have time about it

    muslims that are mccain voters turned off from his campaign because of this

    mccain campaign people disassociating the nutjob from their campaign

    nutjob being slammed by everyone for trying to call muslims dangerous

    just a few minutes of some nutjob showing up and the exchanges with the people and a reporter then he refuses to give his name then leaves.
     
  15. Smokey

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    Go ahead muslims for McCain support the party of the bigots who wish you were dead.
     
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