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Comments from Congressman "I'm an anti-semetic" Moran

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  1. Mr. Mooch

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    Va.'s Moran Condemned For Remarks
    Congressman Rejects Calls for Resignation


    By Eric M. Weiss and Spencer S. Hsu
    Washington Post Staff Writers
    Wednesday, March 12, 2003; Page B01


    The White House and congressional leaders from both major parties rebuked Rep. James P. Moran Jr. (D-Va.) yesterday for remarks suggesting that the Jewish community was pushing the United States toward war with Iraq.

    Meanwhile, some Jewish leaders refused to accept the Alexandria congressman's apologies, saying that Moran's comments on the war issue reflect a history of actions and statements hostile to Jews and Israel.

    White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer called Moran's comments "shocking . . . wrong . . . [and] inappropriate." Addressing reporters at the regular White House briefing, Fleischer said, "If [Democratic leaders] were silent on a issue like this, they would be missing an opportunity to speak out for something that deserves to be spoken out on."

    In a written statement issued later, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said that Moran's comments "have no place in the Democratic Party." But Pelosi added that while the remarks were inappropriate and offensive, "he has properly apologized."

    Senate Minority Leader Thomas A. Daschle (D-S.D.) admonished Moran for making unfounded, baseless and "totally out of line comments" beneath congressional standards.

    U.S. Sen. George Allen (R-Va.), a chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, condemned Moran's remarks as "deplorable and offensive not just to Jewish Americans, but to all Americans."

    In remarks first reported in the Reston Connection, Moran told an antiwar forum in Reston on March 3,
    "If it were not for the strong support of the Jewish community for this war with Iraq, we would not be doing this."

    Moran added that Jewish leaders "are influential enough that they could change the direction of where this is going, and I think they should."

    Moran has since apologized, saying that he "made some insensitive remarks that I deeply regret."

    He said yesterday he was trying to make a broader point, that religious communities could have an impact on the war debate.


    Moran said he has no plans to resign. "Oh no," he said. "The voters put me in, and the voters will put me out." He said he is trying to mend relations with Jewish leaders, but said, "I don't know if I'll be given the opportunity. I think they need to do a whole lot of venting before they start listening."

    Representatives of some Jewish organizations said yesterday that Moran's statement at the forum was less a verbal mix-up than the latest window into the congressman's real feelings.

    "This was the icing on the cake," said Ronald Halber, executive director of the Jewish Community Council of Washington. "Over the past several years, Congressman Moran has expressed a hostile tendency toward Israel. It has come up in his votes and in his statements."

    Jewish groups have long focused on Moran, collecting his statements and tracking his votes.

    "Clearly when you have a congressman who is so insensitive to Jewish issues and blatantly hostile to Israel, it makes it difficult to take his words of clarification seriously," said David Bernstein, the Washington director of the American Jewish Committee. "The nature of his statement was too clear-cut and obvious to dismiss as a slip of the tongue."

    Several Jewish leaders said the incident is a rerun of an incident two years ago when, in a speech to the American Muslim Council, Moran said Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon was coming to Washington "probably seeking a warrant from President Bush to kill at will with weapons we have paid for."

    Moran said at the time that his remarks were "irresponsible," delivered without thinking. "Probably more than anything else, it's what embarrasses me the most -- when I pander to an audience, and I've done it too often."

    Given Moran's record, Halber said, his latest apologies mean little. "When a person violates their parole enough times they are put back in jail."

    Last November, Moran reversed his previous position and returned contributions from three officers of Muslim organizations in Northern Virginia that were raided by federal agents in an investigation into terrorist financing. A year ago, Moran returned political contributions from a Muslim activist who declared his support for the anti-Israel groups Hamas and Hezbollah.

    Moran's public record reveals a passion about Middle East violence. And the theme of the Jewish community influencing policy is a note that he has sounded before. Moran said it comes from years spent studying the conflict, extensive travel around the region and time spent with many Mideast leaders.

    "Because I have spent as much time as I have on this issue, I felt freer than some to speak out on it. My views differ from the conventional wisdom on what is in Israel's long-term best interest."

    In a 1996 op-ed piece in the Jerusalem Post, Moran described a wrenching scene in which Israeli border police allegedly beat an unarmed Palestinian.

    "The unarmed youth was held on the ground while police officers armed with guns and clubs climbed over each other's backs to land their own blows on his body," Moran wrote. "Most of the witnesses to this scene said it happens all the time. When Israeli police and Palestinians are concerned there is no justice or fair play. Might makes right. I witnessed the police laughing and making self-congratulatory gestures after the beating."

    Moran said yesterday that he still hoped to speak out on the subject. "I thought it would be a healthy thing for some non-Jewish citizens to be able to contribute a bit more to the dialogue on Mideast issues. There is not enough cross-pollination with people who are not Jewish but who share a commitment to Israel and its security."


    What a f*****g moron.

    This guy has got to go.
     
  2. Franchise2001

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    Shalom Haver... don't hit your a$$ on the way out
     
  3. glynch

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    I don't know the whole story, but some of his explanatory remarks about the need to balance on the Paestinian Jewish situation make sense.

    The day is coming when Americans can question whether it is always in our best interests to support the Likudniks and their plans to reorganize the Middle East, without the increasingly shrill calls of "anti-Semiticism" being effective to stifle debate.
     
  4. MadMax

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    hey, let's blame it on the Jews...that's never been done before, right?
     
  5. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    Too bad he's not in a leadership position. The Democrats could have a public outcry, force him to resign his leadership position, then give him a committee chair when no one's looking. :D

    These comments do disturb me, however.
     
  6. SpaceCity

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    Was the offending statement the one where he said that Israel is pushing us toward war with Iraq?

    And how is this anti-semetic? It might be wrong but is it anti-semetic?

    Couldn't the people of England and every other European country say the same thing about us?

    My point is, wouldn't that statement be a politcal one? What does that statement have to do with religion. He did say "Israel", not "Jews".
     
  7. No Worries

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    It is a sad day in America when the US and Israel relationship can not be discussed publicly without a knee jerk reaction from all parties.
     
  8. MadMax

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    Huh?
    "If it were not for the strong support of the Jewish community for this war with Iraq, we would not be doing this."
     
  9. MadMax

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    he's not discussing Israeli/US relationship...he's talking about Jewish leaders here in the United States, as far as I can tell.
     
  10. SpaceCity

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    Oh, got ya. Show how attentive I am. It was even bolded. ;)

    So what he should have said was:
    "If it were not for the strong support of Israel for this war with Iraq, we would not be doing this."
     
  11. MadMax

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    he probably would have said that if that's what he meant...he never defends himself that way...he just says he made some insensitive comments.
     
  12. Rocketman95

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    I don't think the reaction would've been any different had he said Israel instead of Jewish, IMHO.
     
  13. MadMax

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    maybe not...but for reasonable people like you and me :))) it makes a world of difference.
     
  14. No Worries

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    The Jewish Americans leaders are saying that "Moran's comments on the war issue reflect a a history of actions and statements hostile to Jews and Israel. " The Jewish leaders are stretching the argument to include Israel.
     
  15. MadMax

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    you're exactly right...but if you'll read my post, i didn't say what the jewish leaders were saying...only what Moran has said.
     
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    In remarks first reported in the Reston Connection, Moran told an antiwar forum in Reston on March 3, "If it were not for the strong support of the Jewish community for this war with Iraq, we would not be doing this."

    Can somebody explain to me why the above statement is hostile, as in "hostile to Jews and Israel"? Methinks that describing this statement as hostile is overreaching a bit.

    If Moran had said "all jews must die", now that would be hostile.
     
  17. Bogey

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    I thought because he's a democrat that this should be ok. We should all just overlook such comments b/c he was obviously meaning no ill will. Right?!?!
     
  18. Rocketman95

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    Thanks for sharing. :rolleyes:
     
  19. MadMax

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    there are implications from this quote..presumptions...one of which is that the jewish community is so overbearing that it can, alone, control foreign policy. thus, they're to blame. if it were up to the rest of us, hey..there'd be no war. it's these jews striring this up.

    this is the same sort of inocculous quote you might have heard from hitler in the early-30's...blaming jews for economic woes...which leads to blaming them for other things...which led to genocide. i think that's why we're so sensitive to these types of statements...it's saying, "this group is choosing a path for us that we would otherwise not choose...and that path is bad."
     
  20. pgabriel

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    The statement isn't hostile standing on its own merrit, but when you consider how Jews have been overtime blamed for influencing the government, hollywood, etc. with their money, it does come across has anti-semetic.
     

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