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Comic Book Writing Legend Alan Moore: Dems are Conservatives, GOP are Fascists

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  1. Xerobull

    Xerobull ...and I'm all out of bubblegum
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    In a recent interview with GQ, British comic book writer, creator of The Watchmen, V for Vendetta, Batman the Killing Joke, From Hell and other great classics, commented on American Politics:

    I’ve visited America twice. I didn’t find myself very comfortable. Possibly I don’t feel comfortable anywhere. I always used to warn people against making the mistake of trying to map a country that you’re unfamiliar with onto a country that you are familiar with, because that is something we all tend to do, and it generally leads to tremendous errors. I myself fell prey to that because when I went over to America the first time, I was thinking, “Okay, so the Republicans, they’re probably more like the conservatives, which means that the Democrats are probably more like the Labor Party.” So, Republicans right-wing, Democrats left-wing. That was the construction I had in my head. This was despite the fact that an awful lot of the Americans that I spoke to considered themselves to be left-wing. They sounded, to my ears, and to the ears of some of my English friends, to be essentially center-right. Since 2016, specifically, it has struck me that probably the Democrats are more the conservatives, and the Republicans would seem to be closer to actual fascists. I think there’s a worrying fascist undercurrent in America. I myself have stopped traveling. I’ve not been out of the country since 1989, something like that.
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    This is what the rest of the world sees has become of the USA.
     
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    Alan Moore is a very angry man who is still right many times.

    His deconstruction of hero worship and a desire to solving crime through simple solutions leading to things like fascism really explains modern GOP very well.
     
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    Is this the Dilbert guy?
     
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  4. Xerobull

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    Obvs
     
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    Lol no. They are opposites pretty much. Alan Moore has an actual deep cultural impact in terms of how we criticize things like hero worshiping. Without him we don't have shows like The Boys. He's the author to have the original idea of that type of hero comic series where it deconstructs hero worship and how it is an aspect of fascism.

    Scott Adams just seems like a right wing grifter at this point.
     
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    I've said the same on this bbs more than once.
     
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    Is this you?

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    Ok but did you write Watchmen?
     
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    Eh, i mean isn't he a 1970s Anarchy in the UK type? That's what V is all about

    Great storyteller but i don't need him to tell me what's so ****ed about our broken ass failing democracy. And i don't really see anarchy as a practical option. We should actually try real majoritarian democracy first.

     
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    Pretty sure that's @B-Bob after listening to the Dead in Golden Gate Park. ;)
     
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    Was discussing this in The Avengers 6 thread in Hangout but I do think that Moore has a point about Super Hero culture being fascist. Superheroes are Jungian archetypes and Fascists love using Jungian archetypes and framing culture as good versus evil struggles. The idea of the Ubermensch from the skies who comes and saves people or the hero who we need but don't deserve strongly fits Fascist culture. Even that the villians are wealthy elites like Lex Luthor and / or social degenerates who are just for chaos like the Joker fit the Mussolini narrative of the strong man who stands against the moneyed elites for law and order.
     
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    Have no idea who this is
     
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    It's the Dilbert guy.
     
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    He wrote the stories these movies are based on:

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    Such reductionism-- one guy's opining represents what the world thinks of the US? Did I understand him to say that he's not been in the US since 1989; he quit traveling then.
     
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    1. The part of the article I quoted has him juxtaposing the UK political landscape to the US
    2. How many people out there in the world haven't left their country since 1989? News from overseas has been informing opinions abroad for several hundred years now.
     
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    Still, you credit his low opinion of US politics as representative of the world's. Who is he again?!

    Tourism in the US has been pretty level (up or down 1-2%) until COVID but that was a worldwide leveling, so it would seem that not too many share his low opinion. I'm no Dr. Phil but he might have a rare form of agoraphobia! ;)
     
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    No, he's the guy who thought having two wives was a good idea until they left him for each other.
     
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    Wrote Z for Zendaya
     
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