OK Folx Let's debate this seriously. I see alot of folx saying Collier is a bust. Why? WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU EXPECTING FROM A ROOKIE? Who was the best Rookie Center last year? Kenyon Martin . . . his numbers are NOT all that Plus he had more PT. I like Collier. I like him more than Cato. He has a decent jump shot. Soft hands. his defense is not *ss horrible. [He not the shotblocker that Cato is but he not as foul prone either and his offense is INFINITELY better] Collier is IMO a D*MN Good backup center esp considering it was his 1st year. As a started YES I would look for an upgrade. What are the primary weaknesses in Collier's game that you do not like? Rocket River ------------------
I think the jury would still have to be out on Collier and even Langhi, who people love to bash. They are both rookies with limited PT. It's all about development. ------------------
Jason Collier = heir apparent to Joe Kleine and Danny Schayes ------------------ "Oh No..." -Bill Walton in 97 just before Stockton's buzzer beater
Collier at best is a backup center. He is not very athletic but is a good basketball player (good shooter, stays in front as a defender). So I don't think he is a bust, but I expect a starter (at some point in their career not necessarily as a rookie) or a more dynamic player with a lottery pick. He could be useful in our system but will never be confused with a great player. Best part about getting him was picking up the additional 1st round pick this year. Personally I still like Pryz (who will be a starter at some point) but I like the extra 1st round pick more and more!
He's only been in the league 1 year, and he's injury prone. That's my biggest beef with him. Other than that, I haven't seen enough of him to make an educated assessment. ------------------ Founding Father of the Refs Suck Club
By last year's standards, he was a good pick, but compared with most 15th picks from years past he's pretty bad. Then again, you could say the same for his entire draft class. I expect him to contribute in this system though. He should be a nice backup, and actually knows how to run a proper pick and roll. ------------------ "Modern bourgeois society with its relations of production, of exchange and property, a society that has conjured up such gigantic means of production and of exchange, is like the sorceror, who is no longer able to control the powers of the nether world whom he has called up by his spells."
Is it just me, or is it the same people who think that Jason Collier will be a bust are comparing him to slow white players? It goes back to my theory, if it's a white player that isn't flashy, most people don't want to give them a chance to prove themselves. ------------------ "I'm not here to protect my reputation, I'm here to make my reputation! Mama Barkley didn't raise no chumps!" - Charles Barkley
From what we saw of Collier early in the season, he looked like a pretty good player. Once he got injured, it was all downhill. If he can come back from injury and get some PT, he could be quite a nice little pick. Personally, I think Pryzbilla is a bust. He has no offense, and isn't that great of a defender. ------------------ blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
I'm not sure Collie is as hard-nosed. Collier is a decent player, I'm not sure you can compare him to one player exactly. ------------------ "norm, would you like to buy an indian scalp ? This deal isn't gonna make or break me Norm, so don't jerk me around." Harry Carey "Norm, if I had a mohawk scalp, I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you."
Collier is a Luc Longley and Joe Kliene type player. He gets pushed around under the basket like a little girl. He is very slow and outmatched against other big men unless he gets help from a double team. The zone rules are going to help him a lot. However, he is tall and can shoot so there will always be a place for him in the NBA. There was never much expected from Collier so I wouldn't say he was a bust. ------------------
Collier performs his role admirably. He stretches the defense, and is large enough to play relatively decent defense. His rebounding isn't *that* bad, although he lacks toughness. If he can improve his passing skills a bit, and improve his 3pt shot more, then I think he *could* become a decent, starting center. I'd certainly start him over Cato. ------------------ Lacking inspiration at the moment...
RocksMillenium -amen Collier needs some PT before we can say he is a bust. He should be a decent backup but thats about all I expect from him. He has a good shot but needs some improvement in the defensive aspect of his game. I will give him at least another year to judge his abilities. ------------------ "I may be mistaken, but I'm never wrong" -Barkley
My Point too I didn't expect Collier to succeed Hakeem and I doubt the Rockets did either [that responsibility fell on the shallow shoulders of Cato] Rocket River ------------------
He's not a bust, just an utterly worthless pick. ------------------ "Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning how to put food on their family while being put to death." It's back... Protrolls.com!
I would gladly accept Collier being like Kleine or Schayes. Both had solid, albeit unspectacular, long careers. ------------------
You can say whatever you want about Collier, but at least he know's how to set a pick. When he got hurt our pick and roll looked lost. I watched painfully as Hakeem and Bullard tried to set a solid pick on the perimeter. If Collier can set that pick and then hit the jumper off the pass then I think we will be pretty tough. And for the last time, stop comparing him to white players only. That is the most ignorant tgrait of some people. I'd say that he could be more like Sam Perkins than Joe Kleine. Besides if has a career like Kleine, none of us should complain. Noone appreciates the role of a back-up. He was not brought ion to be a starter. He was brought in as a solid back-up, and I challenge any of you to prove that he won't be. ------------------
He's not a bust, just an utterly worthless pick. Thanks for providing all that evidence to back up your point. ------------------ "Basketball players win basketball games. Athletes win track meets."-- Shane Battier Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more!
