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Colin Kaepernick protests anthem due to treatment of minorities

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  1. CometsWin

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    I was actually pretty disappointed we didn't see someone at the Olympics make a protest of some sort. They pussed out.
     
  2. J.R.

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    Kaepernick sound 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5

    Kaepernick: ‘I’ll continue to sit’

    Here is the transcript. Questions have been paraphrased:

    Why did you choose to do this?

    People don't realize what's really going on in this country. There are a lot things that are going on that are unjust. People aren't being held accountable for. And that's something that needs to change. That's something that this country stands for freedom, liberty and justice for all. And it's not happening for all right now.

    Is this something that's evolved in your mind?

    It's something that I've seen, I've felt, wasn't quite sure how to deal with originally. And it is something that's evolved. It's something that as I've gained more knowledge about, what's gone in this country in the past, what's going on currently. These aren't new situations. This isn't new ground. There are things that have gone on in this country for years and years and have never been addressed, and they need to be

    Will you continue to sit?

    Yes. I'll continue to sit. I'm going to continue to stand with the people that are being oppressed. To me this is something that has to change. When there's significant change and I feel like that flag represents what it's supposed to represent, this country is representing people the way that it's supposed to, I'll stand.

    (inaudible)

    There's a lot of things that need to change. One specifically? Police brutality. There's people being murdered unjustly and not being held accountable. People are being given paid leave for killing people. That's not right. That's not right by anyone's standards.

    So many people see the flag as a symbol of the military. How do you view it and what do you say to those people?

    I have great respect for the men and women that have fought for this country. I have family, I have friends that have gone and fought for this country. And they fight for freedom, they fight for the people, they fight for liberty and justice, for everyone. That's not happening. People are dying in vain because this country isn't holding their end of the bargain up, as far as giving freedom and justice, liberty to everybody. That's something that's not happening. I've seen videos, I've seen circumstances where men and women that have been in the military have come back and been treated unjustly by the country they fought have for, and have been murdered by the country they fought for, on our land. That's not right.

    Do you personally feel oppressed?

    There have been situations where I feel like I've been ill-treated, yes. This stand wasn't for me. This stand wasn't because I feel like I'm being put down in any kind of way. This is because I'm seeing things happen to people that don't have a voice, people that don't have a platform to talk and have their voices heard, and effect change. So I'm in the position where I can do that and I'm going to do that for people that can't.

    Is this the first year that you've sat during the anthem?

    This year's the first year that I've done this.

    All the preseason games so far?

    Yes.

    (inaudible)

    The support I've gotten from my teammates has been great. I think a lot of my teammates come from areas where this might be the situation. Their families might be put in this situation. It's something that I've had a lot of people come up to me and say, 'I really respect you for what you're doing and what you're standing for.' So to me that's something that I know what I'm doing was right and I know other people see what I'm doing is right, it's something that we have to come together. We have to unite. We have to unify and make a change.

    (inaudible)

    I don't understand how it's the wrong way. To me, this is a freedom that we're allowed in this country. And going back to the military, it's a freedom that men and woman that have fought for this country have given me this opportunity by contributions they have made. So I don't see it as going about it the wrong way. This is something that has to be said, it has to be brought to the forefront of everyone's attention, and when that's done, I think people can realize what the situation and then really effect change.

    (Inaudible)

    It wasn’t something that I really planned as far as it blowing up. It was something that I personally decided - I just can’t stand what this represents right now. It’s not right. And the fact that it has blow up like this, I think it’s a good thing. It brings awareness. Everybody knows what’s going on and this sheds more light on it. Now, I think people are really talking about it. Having conversations about how to make change. What’s really going on this country. And we can move forward.

    Are you concerned that this can be seen as a blanket indictment of law enforcement in general?

    There is police brutality. People of color have been targeted by police. So that’s a large part of it and they’re government officials. They are put in place by the government. So that’s something that this country has to change. There’s things we can do to hold them more accountable. Make those standards higher. You have people that practice law and are lawyers and go to school for eight years, but you can become a cop in six months and don’t have to have the same amount of training as a cosmetologist. That’s insane. Someone that’s holding a curling iron has more education and more training than people that have a gun and are going out on the street to protect us.

    Do you plan to things beyond sitting during the national anthem, as far as activism?

    Yeah, most definitely. There are things that I have in the works right now that I’m working on to put together in the future and have come to fruition soon. Those are things that I’ll talk about as we get closer to those days.

    Any concern about the time of this and the possibility if it being a distraction?

    No, I don’t see it being a distraction. It’s something that can unify this team. It’s something that can unify this country. If we have these real conversations that are uncomfortable for a lot of people. If we have these conversations, there’s a better understanding of where both sides are coming from. And if we reach common ground, and can understand what everybody’s going through, we can really affect change. And make sure that everyone is trated equally and has the same freedom.

    Has anyone from the NFL or team asked you to tone it down? It doesn’t seem as if anyone if trying to quiet you.

    No. No one’s tried to quiet me and, to be honest, it’s not something I’m going to be quiet about. I’m going to speak the truth when I’m asked about it. This isn’t for look. This isn’t for publicity or anything like that. This is for people that don’t have the voice. And this is for people that are being oppressed and need to have equal opportunities to be successful. To provide for families and not live in poor circumstances.

    In your mind have you been pulled over unjustly or had bad experiences?

    Yes, multiple times. I’ve had times where one of my roommates was moving out of the house in college and because we were the only black people in that neighborhood the cops got called and we had guns drawn on us. Came in the house, without knocking, guns drawn on my teammates and roommates. So I have experienced this. People close to me have experienced this. This isn’ty something that’s a one-off case here or a one-off case there. This has become habitual. This has become a habity. So this is something that needs to be addressed.

    Colin you’re the only player in the NFL taking this stand. Why do you think you’re the only one doing this?

    I think there’s a lot of consequences that come along with this. There’s a lot of people that don’t want to have this conversation. They’re scared they might lose their job. Or they might not get the endorsements. They might not to be treated the same way. Those are things I’m prepared to handle. Things that other people might not be ready for. It’s just a matter of where you’re at in your life. Where your mind’s at. At this point, I’ve been blessed to be able to get this far and have the privilege of being able to be in the NFL, making the kind of money I make and enjoy luxuries like that. I can’t look in the mirror and see people dying on the street that should have the same opportunities that I‘ve had. And say ‘You know what? I can live with myself.’ Because I can’t if I just watch.

    Do you think you might get cut over this?

    I don’t know. But if I do, I know I did what’s right. And I can live with that at the end of the day.

    Does this have anything to do with your relationship with the 49ers or the NFL?

    No, this is about the way people have been treated by this country.

    How long did you talk when you addressed the team?

    It was a conversation. They asked me to talk and just explain why I did what I did. And why I felt the way I felt. I had an open conversation with them., I told them why I felt that way and looked at things the way I do. A lot of it has to do with the history of the country and where we’re currently at. I opened it up to all my teammates. Come talk to me if you have any questions. If you want to understand what I’m thinking further, come talk to me. It shouldn’t be something that should be hidden. These conversations need to happen and can bring everybody closer.

    Were there people that disagreed?

    There were people that said I want to understand further. Let’s talk. So I’ve had those conversations and will continue to have them with my teammates. It’s something that - the knowledge of what’s happened in this country and what’s currently happening, I think everybody needs to know. And when you have the knowledge of those things you can make an educated decision on what you really feel and what you really stand for.

    Have you had people outside sports world reach out to say they support you?

    I’ve had a few people reach out. Quite a few, actually. Saying -- we really support you. We’re proud of you for taking a stand. We respect what you’re doing. We know a lot is coming to come with it, but we’re behind you. And that means a lot. That means I’m not the only one who feels this way and I’m not the only one who sees things this way.

    Is the team talking about football or this?

    No, we’re focused on football while we’re in meetings, while we’re on the field. That’s what our focus is. But in our free time, we have conversations about this. That’s not something that we should be ashamed about or shy away from. We talked about football, we handled our business there but there’s also a social responsibility that we have to be educated on these things and talk about these things.

    Consider getting teammates to join?

    This isn’t something I’m going to ask other people to put their necks out for what I’m doing. If they agree with me and feel strongly about it then by all means I hope they stand with me. But I’m not going to go and try to recruit people and be like ‘Hey, come do this with me’ because I know the consequences that come with that and they need to make that decision for themselves.

    Reach out to anyone before this?

    This is a conversation I’ve had with a lot of people a lot of times over a long period of time so it wasn’t something that I planned on having a conversation about at a particular time. It just so happened it was the other night that people realized it and talked about it.

    Any concern that the focus is on you and not the issues?

    I do think that the talk has been more about me, more about I know a lot of people’s initial reactions thought it was bashing the military, which it wasn’t. That wasn’t my intention at all. I think now that we have those things cleared up, we can get to the root of what I was saying and really address those issues

    Any other players who feel the same but not ready to step forward publicly?

    Yeah, I know there’s other players that feel the same way. I’ve had other players reach out to me. Once again, it’s not something I’m going to ask them to put their necks out. I know the consequences that come along with my decision and if they feel strongly and want to stand with me, then I hope they do. If it’s something they’re not ready for then that’s what the conversations are for and they can make that decision when they’re ready or if they’re ready

    Fear for your safety on the road?

    Not really too concerned about that. At the end of the day, if something happens, that’s only proving my point.

    Has Dr. Harry Edwards been helpful?

    Once again, it wasn’t something I consulted anybody on. It was a conversation I had when someone asked me about it. Dr. Edwards is a good friend, he’s someone I talk to a lot and run things by and have a lot of conversations with and we have a lot of similar views.

    Election year have anything to do with timing of this?

    It wasn’t a timing thing, it wasn’t something that was planned. But I think the two presidential candidates that we currently have also represent the issues that we have in this country right now.

    Do you want to expand on that?

    You have Hillary who has called black teens or black kids super predators, you have Donald Trump who’s openly racist. We have a presidential candidate who has deleted emails and done things illegally and is a presidential candidate. That doesn’t make sense to me because if that was any other person you’d be in prison. So, what is this country really standing for?

    It is a country that has elected a black president twice...

    It has elected a black president but there are also a lot of things that haven’t changed. There are a lot of issues that still haven’t been addressed and that’s something over an 8-year term there’s a lot of those things are hard to change and there’s a lot of those things that he doesn’t necessarily have complete control over.

    What would be a success?

    That’s a tough question because there’s a lot of things that need to change, a lot of different issues that need to be addressed. That’s something that it’s really hard to lock down one specific thing that needs to change currently.
     
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  3. amaru

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    It's pretty predictable how this will play out for Kaepernick, but I still respect his decision to exercise his first amendment rights.
     
  4. ubigred

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    He has a higher Wonderlic score than Rodgers, Luck and Brady.

    Interesting....
     
  5. amaru

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    For those who feel that standing for the pledge is supporting the troops:

    After talking with other veterans (and yes I am a veteran), the majority of us couldn't care less if civilians stood for the pledge or saluted the flag. The flag is a symbol, but showing support to it doesn't mean that you support the troops. Every combat veteran I've ever talked to has always told me when **** hit the fan in combat they weren't fighting for an ideological principle or some flag, they were fighting for their buddies next to them. If you want to actually support the troops, through tangible acts and not just empty symbolism, there are numerous veteran outreach programs that are attempting to provide veterans with service-related disabilities the help they need.
     
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    He might be for all you know. I know Hakeem used to routinely donate to charities but didn't want his name mentioned when doing so.
     
  7. CometsWin

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    Well said. I found it pretty despicable that the events for vets at NFL games are paid for by the Department of Defense. The NFL likes to paint itself as super patriots or something but really they're just greedy bastards.
     
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    I still just want to know what else he has done besides not stand up for the anthem. I don't care either if he doesn't stand, but if someone is making this kind of political statement with the platform that he has then I'd like to know what other actions he has taken to help fix problems. I mean if he is doing other productive things then I can support him. If he is just playing the blame game then it's hard to pay attention to him. Also I kind of honestly wonder if he is just doing this to bring attention to himself because of his rapidly declining football career. Maybe I'm being too cynical.
     
  9. amaru

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    I'm sure you could find that out by researching Kaepernick.
     
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    I googled Colin Kaepernick charity and he does work for Camp Taylor which helps children with heart disease. Obviously admirable work and a lot more than my worthless ass does.
     
  11. TheRealist137

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    People shouldn't make a big deal about this. There's too much patriotism going on in America anyway. It's a big reason why America has so many problems, people want to gloss over it or ignore because "america is the greatest nation in the world" or some BS like that.
     
  12. body slam

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    Samething I've been thinking.
     
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    Patriotism is the reason why America has so many problem

    -TheRealist137
     
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    When morons simplify for sound byte/twitter/meme purposes.
     
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    He does have a charity, I am not sure the details but it's targeted towards kids. I googled it after making that comment for some reason. After school programs are something I believe in a lot for inner cities.

    I wouldnt compare Kap to the Dream at this stage in Kap's career. But I certainly jumped the gun on generalizing Kap.
     
  16. Rockets Pride

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    Lol is that your argument to everything ?

    Nobody gives a **** about Pakistan
     
  17. LosPollosHermanos

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    I think you have demonstrated your lack of ability to comprehend even the most basic of points. Arguing with you is a waste of time, in fact, you should be thanking those engaging you for making you feel like anything of worth.

    Crawl back into obscurity and let rational men talk at the table.
     
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  18. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    This has nothing to do with the first amendment.
     
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    It's my only argument to "Racism towards Blacks is non-existent because black president" because it's the only argument that is needed to dismantle that assertion.

    Your cognitive abilities have to be stunted in some form for you not to understand the very simple point.
     
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    This country has more than just a black president as a superior. Did Pakistan ever pass a law against discrimination against females ?
     

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