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ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Pelicans 3/13/2022

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Mar 12, 2022.

  1. vator

    vator Contributing Member

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    :eek::eek:
    You also said you’d chose KPJ over Green all season long until today. :eek:

    Smh…There are at least another dozen posts similar to these too.


    One day I decided to ask you about this…

    Your response…

     
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    practice makes perfect and you need as much PT as possible
     
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    Well minny , charlotte, pels etc got plenty of them ...it did them no good...theres no way around the hard work !
    and there is no substitute for the winning!

    actually the tanking is thinking top 5 picks fall from the sky.... then a few years down the road you realize you've actualy drafted anthony bennet or jabbari parker

    thats what happens when you dont do your scouting and not employing high bbiq people/coaching...when you dont work on the right culture

    cause if you did, one day you could realize the real top 5 picks do indeed fall from the sky like yanis, jokic, draymond green, middleton, butler, booker, gobert etc.etc.etc.
     
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    My only take on Cade is that he is not efficient at scoring the basketball. He wasn’t in college and hasn’t been in the nba. Not sure why it’s ignored, but Green’s ceiling is higher due to it.
     
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    Cade was efficient in college…20 ppg on 44/40/84 shooting splits and 57% TS while being the #1 option and only good player on his team

    most rookies have terrible efficiency, it’s not a big deal
     
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    Actually, only one of them need the ball in their hands to be successful. At the end of the day, both Wood and KPJ got the keys to the team's offense, and Green spent most of his time playing support to both of them. As much as Green has struggled to start the season, he has found a way to work around the two highly ball dominant, shoot first players. Green is trending upwards, and likely will continue trending upwards, regardless of the circumstances.

    To put this into numbers, Jalen Green for the season averaged around 44 touches per game, significantly lower than most top picked rookies (8th overall). Since the beginning of February (18 games), Jalen Green's touches has only increased to 50, despite playing significantly better with a near elite scoring efficiency of 59 TS% and 19 points a game during the same period. In fact, Green averaging 19/3/3 on 59 TS% on only 50 touches is actually ridiculously efficient overall. For comparison, Cade Cunningham averages 20/7/5 on 50 TS% on 70 touches per game. It stands to reason that if Green continued to develop, Green will continue to find a way to succeed regardless of circumstances, even if his abilities are underutilized.

    On the other hand, the same cannot be said for KPJ. The ball needs to be in his hands because he has never played an off-ball position, and he can only ever succeed if the ball is always going through him (and even then, he is having a worse season than last year). That is why a lot of people think he is best suited as a 6th man, unless he can develop abilities as a 3.

    The question before the season is whether KPJ and Green co-exist, but now the question is moving towards whether KPJ is a good fit next to Green.
     
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    Imagine that the management of a franchise rolled a dice on a knucklehead SG/SF/PG hybrid and did not have full confidence in him.

    Therefore drafted an SG that could be a combo guard but also was not really confident about latter.

    So the hybrid still gets more touches.

    They are playiing a substraction game.

    BTW his Usage Rate was not 8th, it was 5th before ASB.
     
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    well, that's inconvenient :D
     
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    Usage rate is different to touches. Usage rate basically just looks at shots, so a player can shoot 10 corner 3s and never touch the ball in any other situation, and still have a higher usage rate than a player that shoots the ball 3 times, but has the ball in his hands 90% of the time. Steve Nash is a good example of this.

    Green's low touches basically means he doesn't get the ball much, even though he may be responsible for executing the shot.
     
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    Ok. Give him the ball then, I mean I do not really care who initiates the Offense.

    It should not matter in a season where everything is lost and the only thing people are pining for is a Top 3 draft pick.

    I have and will say it again, KPJ should go to a team that is not a storied franchise.

    A new team like the Pels, a franchise that has never won.....who would take on a troubled young man like that.

    As for Green, he has got to show more maturity, and lead a team. I think people want leadership out of the 2nd overall pick early on.

    No excuses.

    The discussion demading more touches to Green has been more annoying than the actual Green hype.
     
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    nah, he looks slow for that
     
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    Tate is pretty good

    hard to look good or even decent when you are playing next to wood ... and your team is behind .

    I think Tate CAN guard 1-5 ... in a pinch .. but we’ve thrown him out there vs centers for like 20 games due to wood and it’s clearly taken a toll .

    put Tate on the floor with sengun / Jabari / and a matured green/ kpj and our defense will look pretty good and Tate will look like a stopper .

    but defense is a team game . Kpj too inconsistent , green too light , wood straight up sucks , and Tate is playing out of position.

    we looked ok on D with theis at center (and playing big with wood)

    I just hate wood tho
     
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    Nix nor KPJ are the PGs of the future.
     
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    would love to know which 20 seconds @BimaThug is talking about here. there were multiple contenders throughout this game :D
     
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    Probably the sequence that included KPj getting stripped from behind, while dribbling casually after an inbound, preceded by a TO from Garry, that led to a fastbreak score.
     
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    judging from the time of his tweet, this was my reaction at that point

    think I'll have to go back and watch the replay
     
  18. vator

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    Has there been a gang initiation where the guy getting jumped beats all the guys jumping him?
     
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    This was painful to watch.
     
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