Ok odviously mobley is the #1 priority. can some of u cap experts tell me how much we can offer mobley? would it be possible to resign mobley for some exception, then dump walt (sorry wiz) and drew for a future mid round draft pick, and try for lewis? lewis wants to come home. we have to beat seattle's 3.8 million which btw isnt that hard unless seattle starts dumping people left and right. i love lewis. heres a checklist of what rashard wants. A) To start- Check if we dump walt (sorry wiz!) no problem B) To come to his hometown- Check in waiting ( i fully expect us to stay in houston now that louisville is out of the picture) C) To play around young players with a bright future- BIG CHECk i'd take lewis any day over picking a SF next year. what i'd like to know is are we so far over the cap that we have no realistic shot at him? ------------------ --TEX
Salsa: Explain to me why any team would want to trade a future draft pick for Walt's $5mill contract. Think Walt = Derek Bell. Yes, that is hard. Barring a Hakeem Olajuwon to the Bulls for 2nd round pick trade, it's pretty safe to say we won't have enough money to sign Rashard outright. The most we can offer him is our $2.2mill exception (is that right, aelliot?). However, Seattle has right of first refusal on Rashard, so if Rashard signs Houston's offer sheet, Seattle can match that and Rashard has to stay with the Sonics. [Kind of like what happened to Tyrone Nesby last summer. He signed with the Spurs, but the Clippers matched the offer.] Our only chance at getting Rashard is if he tells Seattle that if they don't trade him to Houston, he will go sign with Chicago/Orlando. Then, we can use our $4.5mill trade exception to acquire him. I don't see why we would want to do this though, as it would take away from our Webber account. ------------------ "I wanna eat his children."
Detroit may want Walt if Hill leaves. How about a Walt + exception for Laettner trade? Christian's contract expires in 2001. That would free up 6 million more for Webber. Shandon can start at SF, Mobley at SG. [This message has been edited by outlaw (edited June 30, 2000).]
Cabbage ... why don't you stop that sillines about Webber .. please , the man has said plenty of times that he likes where he is at , he is not going anywhere not here not anywhere so come on ... Webber is nothing but a nice fantasy , kinda like doing miss universe ! beautiful fantasy it just won't happen ------------------ "Why can't we just get along"...quote from a scientist in Half-life 2nd edition.
3pointer: If I'm going to dream, let me dream big. I honestly don't know what's going on in the war room, but cap space for 2001 has to be the plan, right? Why else move down 6 spots in the draft, other than to save $1million in cap space. ------------------ "I wanna eat his children."
If webber leaves sac its gonna be for someone who has been contending or is the defending nba chance. i dont see him leaving. what i was asking is cant we resign mobley for the exception over 2 years so he will get his bird rights, then dump walt and his big salary and offer it to lewis? the clippers could use a veteran prescense like him, they dont have alot of pure outside shooters either. just a suggestion but walt's salary is more than the 3.8 million which is the max the sonics can offer. rashard wants to come home and i wanna see him here! ------------------ --TEX
Well , if we are going to dream big why don't we say that Duncan will only sign a 1 yr. contract w/San Antonio sperms and sign w/us next yr. after Dream joins Barkley (-the beer drinking of course ) Now that is dreaming big.. literally ! ------------------ When I die I want to go right after watching a rockets game !
Restricted free agency is silly. How absurd... "uhh... you can't leave us, I said the magic word". The Sonics need to convince themselves to pull a Magic... and to completely rebuild from scratch. Horace is there, he can tell 'em what they did. The Rockets should have enough convincing first round choices to do a trade. Any tricks involving teams w/ cap space are too bizarre b/c of the 60 day/someone else's free agent rule. ------------------ no fat chicks
Here is a more realistic better idea. First of all, we are not going to land Lewis. Second of all, I have heard this Rockets talk from Lewis is also false. Tha talk is Lewis is indifferent about Houston and will play anywhere if the price is right. What we should do is trade Rogers to Seattle for Horace Grant using our trade exception. That way we free up more money for 2001 to pursue Webber, Finley, etc. A trade like this will give us a solid PF for a year and an extra $2,430,000 in 2001 and it will put Seattle roughly $1,000,000 under the cap (not enough for Lewis but a start). ------------------
ive heard rashard wants to come home RT. espn reports it, nbatalk does, ive heard other people tell me he wants to come home, then he comes here for the summer so i wouldnt call that indifferent. yah some of our owed picks r good trade bait. ------------------ --TEX
Tex, NBAtalk, ESPN, are all reporting from the same source. I have heard that Rashard is currently in Seattle and that the Houston talk wasn't in fact exactly true. Even if he wanted to come here, Rashard has little choice in the matter. I doubt Seattle would want draft picks for him. I say we look towards 2001 and cut future salary while we can. ------------------
http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum3/HTML/006837.html Read that a little. Is Webber really as far fetched as seems? If Duncan is even considering leaving a team that won the Finals, why wouldn't Webber leave a team that's the #8 seed, for a team twice as talented, loaded with draft picks, and a better PG, and coach? I did these calculations on another thread, but, it's way down the drain, here they are: If we do these things-send Walt, Rogers, and Drew off for nothing/picks or players who's contracts expire in the 01 free agency, and make no other trades or signings, we'll be headed into the 01-02 season with these players under contract: Francis Mobley Anderson (assume we take his option, which we will) Collier Cato Thomas Langhi 7 good solid players. Plus we'll have 4 more draft picks to go with this, and here's the big key: If my calculations are correct (I based them on davo's page, and the Coon FAQ for rookie salaries (Collier), and minimum salaries (Langhi), then the Rockets will have only used up $18,392,469 of the projected $40,000,000 (minimum the cap will be is 35.5 mill). That's nearly 22 million of cap room, and we'd already have 7 solid players!! This is assuming no signings of extra players though, or using the 4.5 to pick up extra players. We also don't use mid level exceptions or the trade exception. But if the Rockets managed this, we'd be able to get Webber (at 12 million), sign ALL of our picks no sweat, and still have at least a good 4-5 million to spare. That's some serious business, and an offseason. Ideal trades- Walt Williams for Chris Mullin (free agent in 01) Drew/small portion of exception (about 500K) for Alvin Williams (free agent in 01) Rogers/rest of exception for Horace Grant (free agent in 01)(they clear cap room) ------------------ The more lefties on your team, the better. Collier is Seven Foot and Left Handed. How can you go wrong? Trade or bench Kenny Thomas.
NIKE, Can you incorporate all of the players that were waived last year by the Rockets onto the cap projection? Thanks. ------------------ no fat chicks
according to davo's info, their contracts are done by next year, except for Maloney's, which he's not sure. He's around 2 million. The only players that were these cases were like Augmon, Gray, and Shaw. I don't think any of them were still gonna be on the payroll in 01, maybe for this year though. ------------------ The more lefties on your team, the better. Collier is Seven Foot and Left Handed. How can you go wrong? Trade or bench Kenny Thomas.
NIKE, How do the exceptions work? Didn't the Rockets acquire the project '2sandwiches' outside of using an exception? Also, when the Rockets discuss signing a player such as Nate Huffman, I can only assume it would be outside of using an exception (1 or 2.5) spot. ------------------ no fat chicks
Should I invent a "reliable source" that could give me an "amazing tip" that indicates the Rockets "really want" Webber to play for them. Otherwise our "Webber account" is simply a sum of money to be used for signing a FA. (sorry, but this talk along with Shandon Anderson trades have become my pet peeves) ------------------
Achebe-When you're over the cap, you can sign players for the minimum. And yes, that figure does not include things like the 2 mill exception, Mid Level, 1 mill, etc. But, those exceptions don't figure in to next year's cap figures (except for the 1 mill) because we'll be under the cap. When you can fit a salary under the cap without use of the exception, you don't have the exceptions at your disposal. ------------------ The more lefties on your team, the better. Collier is Seven Foot and Left Handed. How can you go wrong? Trade or bench Kenny Thomas.
Collier/Vlade comparisons are in my opinion well dumb! Collier is NO WHERE near the passer vlade is Collier does not have the mobility of Vlade Collier does not have the toughness of Vlade Collier does not have the leadership of Vlade Collier does not have the locker room prescense of Vlade Collier does not hustle as much as Vlade im sorry but collier/vlade do two 3 things the same shoot, RB, and play adequete D. tahts it. collier is more like a rik smits who hustles more. but he isnt like vlade at all IMO. you can say smell contender all you want but until we make the playoffs and go somewhere in them which wont be next year, webber will only play for a team that is currently contneding. come next year that wont be us.. yet. ------------------ --TEX
well i didn't say collier is as good as vlade is right now. it took many years for divac to get where he is now. but collier has the potential to become as good as vlade. plus how do you know collier is not a good locker room presence?
