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Clark Says He "Probably" Would Have Backed War

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  1. MadMax

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    Does this change any of your opinions about him? I know there are some that said they couldn't vote for Kerry because he voted for the congressional resolution authorizing war. He says his opinions on the war are more like Kerry's and Lieberman's. Still the guy you want?? Or is he too "right"???

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A32450-2003Sep18?language=printer
    Clark 'Probably' Would Have Backed War
    On First Campaign Stop, Democrat Lacks Specifics but Rallies Crowd

    By Jim VandeHei
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Friday, September 19, 2003; Page A05


    HOLLYWOOD, Fla., Sept. 18 -- Retired Gen. Wesley K. Clark said today that he "probably" would have voted for the congressional resolution last fall authorizing war, as he charged out into the presidential campaign field with vague plans to fix the economy and the situation in Iraq.

    Clark said his views on the war resemble those of Democratic Sens. Joseph I. Lieberman (Conn.) and John F. Kerry (Mass.), both of whom voted for the war but now question President Bush's stewardship of the Iraqi occupation. "That having been said, I was against the war as it emerged because there was no reason to start it when we did. We could have waited," Clark said during a 75-minute session with four reporters.

    En route to his first campaign stop as a candidate, a high-energy rally at a local restaurant, Clark said he has few specific policy ideas to offer voters right now and offered a few thoughts that might surprise Democrats flocking to his campaign. As recently as Sunday night, he was unsure if he should run for president, so Clark said voters need to give him time to think things through.

    Clark's statement on the war resolution put him at odds with former Vermont governor Howard Dean, whose stock has soared among Democratic activists in recent months on the strength of his antiwar position. It could make it difficult for Clark to differentiate himself from the other nine candidates in the field on policy, other than by touting his résumé as a former Army general and commander of NATO forces in Kosovo.

    In the interview, Clark did not offer any new ideas or solutions for Iraq that other candidates have not already proposed.

    A decorated Vietnam War veteran, Clark said that if he were in Congress, he would vote against Bush's request for $87 billion for operations and reconstruction in Iraq unless the president details a specific strategy to eventually withdraw U.S. troops. Clark said he wants more troops in Iraq, but was unsure who best can provide them -- the United States, Iraqis or other countries. . He would consider cutting defense spending if elected, he said.

    Clark, relaxed and chatty, portrayed himself as a different kind of Democrat, one without strong partisan impulses. He said he "probably" voted for Richard M. Nixon in 1972 and backed Ronald Reagan. He did not start considering himself a Democrat until 1992, when he backed fellow Arkansan Bill Clinton. "He moved me," Clark said. "I didn't consider it party, I considered I was voting for the man."

    Clark said that as recently as last week, the former president and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) both encouraged him to run, as did many of their close friends. He said the former president initially was cool to the idea but warmed to it as the draft-Clark movement grew. Clark said he never discussed running with Sen. Clinton on the same ticket, however. Clark, who discussed the vice presidency with Dean at a recent meeting, said he would not rule out taking the No. 2 slot on a ticket.

    Clark said the country "will not function well" with one party controlling the White House and Congress. He sounded a bit like former presidential candidate H. Ross Perot as he talked about focusing on "context" and not specifics and his yearning to work "with people of all sides and all parts of the political spectrum."

    But Clark took some shots at Bush, too. He compared Bush to Nixon in abusing his power to bully Congress and U.S. allies. "This is an administration which has moved in a way we have not seen any administration since Nixon to abuse executive authority to scheme, manipulate, intimidate and maneuver," Clark said.

    Still, it is domestic issues that often dominate presidential elections, and Clark remains largely undefined in this arena. He may be put to the test next week, when he is likely to participate in a Democratic debate in New York. Clark said he did not watch the last two debates.

    He said he supports universal health coverage that includes preventive care and a "freeze" on Bush's tax cuts that have yet to take effect for people earning $150,000 or more.

    Clark said he supports a ban on assault weapons and was uncertain of precisely what the Brady gun law does -- and if any changes to it are needed. The law requires background checks and waiting periods for gun purchases.

    "I support the Second Amendment. People like firearms, they feel secure with firearms, they should keep their firearms," said Clark, who has been shooting weapons since he was young.

    Clark, who said he does not consider homosexuality a sin, said the military needs to reconsider the "don't ask, don't tell" policy for gay service members. He suggested the military should consider the "don't ask, don't misbehave" policy the British use. "It depends how you define misbehave. That's what has to be looked at," he said.

    While Clark's agenda is a work in progress, he passed one test today: he showed here he could draw a big crowd and rouse them with fiery speech. Clark flew in on a friend's private jet to shake hands here and to rally a large crowd of young and old, all shouting, "We want Clark."

    While new to politics, Clark jumped up on a chair and sounded like a seasoned pro as he delivered a lively, if brief, call to arms.

    "We are trapped in a jobless economy and an endless occupation" of Iraq, Clark told the crowd. "The simple truth about politics is if you are going to make a difference in the country, you have to have an organization, you have to be able to communicate the message, you have to travel, you have to have the signs, and all of that takes resources. This is America -- we operate on the greenback and I need your help."
     
  2. El_Conquistador

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    This confirms my earlier theory. Clark is a war-mongering neo-con who fashions himself in the Wolfowitz/Rumsfeld mold.
     
  3. Troy McClure

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    John Kerry was the only candidate before Clark I would have considered voting for. I still may vote for John Kerry. It's time we had a Commander in Chief who actually knows what its like to defend our country, not just order other people to go do it.
     
  4. rimrocker

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    I think his positions mirrors a lot of democrats. We were being fed what we now know was bogus intel on WMDs and a lot of folks thought this administration was telling the truth. That does not mean you have to agree with the administration on how the war was instigated or how the occupation is going. No loyalty is owed to lies.
     
  5. bamaslammer

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    I would say I'd agree with RR, but for different reasons.
    Clark, like the rest of the Dems, wanted to play it both ways.The Democrats acted as if they were opposed to the war to appease the LLWF peacenik, I-hate-America crowd and but still voted for it so when the war was successful, they could trumpet "I voted for the war and I always supported it....blah, blah, blah."

    Fence riding and waiting until the polls tell you which way to go is not leadership. If you're against the war, which a lot of my libertarian colleagues were, vote against it. If you support it, vote for it. I hate Ted Kennedy, Kuchinich and Joe Biden, but I will say they at least stuck to their principles by voting no. I just have no respect for trying to place yourself in a winning position regardless of the outcome and your principles.
     
  6. Troy McClure

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    Joe Biden voted yes on the Iraq resolution. Do research before you post.
     
  7. SamFisher

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    Not only that, but I heard he was an ardent supporter of Jesse Jackson and light rail. Disturbing indeed, for a future president-for-life.
     
  8. Maynard

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    Have you ever read the resolution authorizing force?

    Has the President followed what Congress said?

     
  9. Buck Turgidson

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    There is no correlation between prior military service and effective wartime leadership.

    Makes for good soundbites though.
     
  10. Deckard

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    It didn't hurt Churchill any.
    In fairness, I think that would be true if it were the only criteria you were looking at.

    I think if you look at the record of Bush in the military, if you can find it, then one could argue that the military service record you did have... if you had one, is very relevent. Bush's mismanagement of the current conflict is the strongest arguement I could make on that score.

    Clark's record of service to his country is superb.
     
  11. Timing

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    As a Congressman he simply would have been relying on the lies that were funneled down from this administration. I find the following more telling than he "probably" would have voted for war based on the info he would have received in Congress.

    That having been said, I was against the war as it emerged because there was no reason to start it when we did. We could have waited

    A decorated Vietnam War veteran, Clark said that if he were in Congress, he would vote against Bush's request for $87 billion for operations and reconstruction in Iraq unless the president details a specific strategy to eventually withdraw U.S. troops.
     
  12. bigtexxx

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    So now what do you think of Weslie, chaps? He would have voted for the war. Hmmmm....better change your story again...

    Hey, don't worry dems, he still hates W, so at least you'll have something to stand on.
     
  13. Troy McClure

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    It's Wesley Clark. If you can not spell his name right, you prove you do not know anything about him. Also, you show a great disrespect for a general who defended the United States of America for over 30 years. That is very unpatriotic.
     
  14. bigtexxx

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    That was intentional, mensa.
     
  15. Troy McClure

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    No ****.
     
  16. bamaslammer

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    Cripes.....don't get your panties in a bunch over a damned intentional misspelling. It kind of reminds me of Sore/Loserman. It's not like Bigtexxx was questioning his patriotism. Clark may have served for 30 years, but a hero? I strongly doubt it.
     
  17. Troy McClure

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    I don't wear underwear.
     
  18. Deckard

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    The Silver Star and the Purple Heart for several wounds in combat?? That doesn't qualify? Then what would.


    Bush's National Guard service is far more credible. Right
    Give me a break.
     
  19. bigtexxx

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    Now that was funny, Troi.
     
  20. bamaslammer

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    That's a little more info that I care to know. :D
     

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