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CJR: Obama seriously misleading voters about McCain's "100 years"

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  1. basso

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    http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/the_us_iraq_and_100_years.php?page=all

    [rquoter]The U.S., Iraq, and 100 Years
    Press needs to call Obama on distortion of McCain’s statement
    By Zachary Roth Tue 1 Apr 2008 05:07 PM

    Ever since John McCain said at a town hall meeting in January that he could see U.S. troops staying in Iraq for a hundred years, the Democrats have been trying to use the quote to paint the Arizona senator as a dangerous warmonger. And lately, Barack Obama in particular has stepped up his attacks on McCain’s “100 years” notion.

    But in doing so, Obama is seriously misleading voters—if not outright lying to them—about exactly what McCain said. And some in the press are failing to call him on it.

    Here’s McCain’s full quote, in context, from back in January:

    [rquoter]Questioner: President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for fifty years…

    McCain: Maybe a hundred. Make it one hundred. We’ve been in South Korea, we’ve been in Japan for sixty years. We’ve been in South Korea for fifty years or so. That’d be fine with me as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. Then it’s fine with me. I would hope it would be fine with you if we maintain a presence in a very volatile part of the world where Al Qaeda is training, recruiting, equipping and motivating people every single day.[/rquoter]

    It’s clear from this that McCain isn’t saying he’d support continuing the war for one hundred years, only that it might be necessary to keep troops there that long. That’s a very different thing. As he says, we’ve had troops in South Korea for over fifty years, but few people think that means we’re still fighting the Korean War.

    Nevertheless, back in February, Obama said: “We are bogged down in a war that John McCain now suggests might go on for another hundred years.”

    And, on a separate occasion: “(McCain) says that he is willing to send our troops into another hundred years of war in Iraq.”

    Since then, some conservatives have drawn attention to the distortion, and Obama’s been a bit more careful with his language. Today, for instance, he said: “We can’t afford to stay in Iraq, like John McCain said, for another hundred years.” It’s technically true that McCain said that, but Obama’s clear goal in phrasing it that way was to imply, falsely, that McCain wants the war to continue for that long. In other words, he’s gone from lying about what McCain said to being deeply misleading about it. Progress, of a kind.

    Still, some outlets continue to portray the issue as a he-said, she-said spat. A long takeout on the controversy by ABC News, opining that McCain’s comment “handed his Democratic opponents and war critics a weapon with which to bludgeon him,” is headlined: “McCain’s 100 Year Remark Hands Ammo to War Critics: McCain Haunted by January Remarks Suggesting 100 More Years in Iraq.” And today’s L.A. Times story, headlined “Obama, McCain Bicker Over Iraq,” is similarly neutral.

    To be fair, the ABC News piece does provide the quote in its full context, giving enough information to allow conscientious readers to figure out the truth. That’s better than the L.A. Times piece, which says only that “McCain has stressed since then that he meant that U.S. troops might need to remain to support Iraqi forces, not to wage full-scale warfare”—instead of simply telling readers that it’s clear from the context that McCain did indeed mean that. Still, neither piece stated high up and unequivocally that Obama is distorting McCain’s words.

    To be clear, if Obama wants to take issue with McCain’s willingness to keep U.S. troops in Iraq for a hundred years in any capacity, that’s obviously his right. But that’s not the same as misleading voters about what McCain is proposing,

    This matters. Obama has given every indication that his general election strategy on Iraq and foreign policy will be to portray McCain as dangerously bellicose. If he’s going to do so by distorting McCain’s words, the press should forcefully call him out on it each time.[/rquoter]
     
  2. El_Conquistador

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    It's about integrity and it's becoming increasingly clear that Obama has none of it. Whether it's his associations with racists and bigots for political gain, or his purposeful mis-characterization of McCain's policy stances, it's very clear that Obama will say or do anything, regardless of his morals.

    ...and to think many Obama supporters accuse Hillary of playing dirty pool. This issue is particularly apalling...
     
  3. pgabriel

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    the onus is on mccain to be clear about what he said. maybe he needs lieberman to clear the air
     
  4. rimrocker

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    Bull. Let's break it down like we've already done once before...

    For the defense of McCain to work, the quote would need to stop here. This part is OK, though the "Make it one hundred" reminds one a bit of "Bring it on."

    But he doesn't stop there, even though all of the analysis trying to defend McCain does. McCain goes on...

    Now, he's qualifying his "not being harmed or wounded or killed" phrase with "very volatile part of the world." How are we going to keep soldiers in a volatile part of the world without them coming into harm's way? It's an oxymoronic construction.

    To compound it, he goes on to say "where Al Qaeda is training, recruiting, equipping and motivating people." Now, where, in a volatile part of the world, can an American soldier be around Al-Q motivated and equipped people and not come under fire?

    The statement taken as a whole is impossible to square. Given McCain's obvious detachment from reality when it comes to the war, it's clear to me at least... and I suspect most Americans... that when you cut through the haze, he is talking about keeping troops in Iraq to continue this travesty.

    Edit: Obama said: “We are bogged down in a war that John McCain now suggests might go on for another hundred years.” Reading McCain's complete statement, it's hard to argue with Obama.
     
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    I like and agree with this analysis
     
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    McCain was comparing Iraq to South Korea and Japan. Those two place were very volatile at the beginning as well. But are they volatile for the last couple decades? What McCain really wants to say is that there is oil there, so we need to have a presence there. Al Qaeda is just an excuse.

    Frankly, I don't see what's the big deal about admitting Obama also engage in a little misrepresentation. Politicians are all like that.
     
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    McCain wishes he had never made the statement and he will properly get bludgeoned with it until election day.
     
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    It will hurt him but I think he was telling the truth. Most likely, no matter who is the President, we will see some of our troops in Iraq until the oil runs out there.
     
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    Bomb, bomb, bomb! bomb, bomb Iran!

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    Wow, that's some serious spin there, you should go work for the Obama campaign.
     
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    He can't admit it, since Obama is s'posed be some kinda different. to exposed as just another south side machine politician would mean his entire reason for being in the race would be shown to be a fraud. Rimheads needs a messiah.
     
  12. pgabriel

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    this then this


    =irony
     
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    Well McCain can clear this up easily. All he has to do is tell us if he thinks the US should pull out the bulk of our troops in Iraq, if they are still in harms way in 2 years, 5 years, 10 years, 20 years. When?

    If he won't do this, then McCain and tj and basso can quit whining about that mean old Obama.
     
  14. pgabriel

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    the stupidity of this argument as usaual starts with comparing south korea/japan to iraq. so if mccain wasn't trying to insuate one hundred years of combat an his reasoning is that this will go the the way of japan/s korea, he's still an idiot.
     
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    so we are still actively involved in combat in Germany and Korea? Man, the libs don't have much of a position here... no cred...

    And I thought Obama was above the fray of distorting political stances? Guess not... That's what tends to happen when you are behind in the polls, as he is to McCain... you have to compromise your morals... you know, just like associating with racists, bigots and anti-semites... oh wait...
     
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    No offense pgabriel, but what crystal ball have you been looking at? Japan was a pretty dangerous neighborhood for Americans for quite a while.

    The North/South Korea border isn't the safest place in the world for us either.

    We just don't know what Iraq will be like in 10 years.

    My preference is to do a reasonable phaseout of US troops over a period of years. Of course, I see no reason for our continued presence in Germany, etc either. I am NOT saying that the two are the same. I'm just saying that the military folks see things differently than I do.
     
  17. B-Bob

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    Ah, that's right. Anyone who disagrees with you must be completely deluded, since you have proven again and again your skilz with logic. Keep repeating that!

    But wait, the mind control is slipping... I... I... can't seem to ...

    Obasso, you are so, so right: I for one became a complete cultish zombie, just melting in front of Obama's campaign when they used that brazen political tactic, quoting the words of another candidate. My mouth dropped open, flies buzzed in and out, and even now, I haven't blinked mine eyes in ten days or so. Luckily I can still type, but only when ordered by my overlord.

    Next arm hair please. Pluck pluck pluck.
     
  18. pgabriel

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    was japan at civil war with at least five different factions


    I know post wwii japan was nothing like iraq
     
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    was germany and japan in the midst of civil war after its leaders taken out during WWII
     
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