Hey guys, I was just thinking about how well Shane Battier fits in our offense. He was great for JVG's half court offense but it doesn't seem that way with Adelman's. This new team stresses the ball movement as well has rotation but battier's game is more stagnant. He more or less stands on the 3pt line and waits to be open. Don't get me wrong he contributes a lot on the defense but his offensive numbers are a little weak. This year he average 6.4 pts at 33 minutes. His fg percentage dropped from 0.446 (career) to 0.375 (08/09). He is still the same great player but Adelman's style does not fit with him that well. If it were my choice I would start Chuck Hayes over him or at least give him a few more minutes. The dude is amazing on D. I think he is better than Shane. Shane gets about 3 times as many minutes as he does. If you multiply Chuck's stats by 3 a better comparison can be made. I know there are flaws in this analysis but it could give some insight. Battier: FG%: 0.375 OFF REB: 0.9 DEF REB: 3.9 TOT REB: 4.8 APG: 2.1 Steals PG: 0.7 BPG: 0.9 TO: 0.86 PPG: 6.4 Chuck: Multiplied by 3, not his FG% though FG%: 0.33 OFF REB: 2.7 DEF REB: 7.2 Total REB: 9.9 APG: 1.5 Steals PG: 1.5 BPG: 0.9 TO: 0.96 PPG: 3.3 Double the boards, double the steals, less on points, FG%, and assists though. But Chuck can gaurd players like Kevin Garnett with relative ease. The man should at least get a few more minutes. I know this isn't a perfect analysis so don't go crazy on me as if I just ran over your dog Cheers
Dude, I have beat this one to death. Chuck should have never been taken out of the starting lineup. Not only was he taken out of the starting lineup, he is now DNPCD. Rick Adelman is either a Prick or an Idiot, I can't quite get a read on him. My idea was to insert Chuck back into the starting lineup for Scola. Scola doesn't need to be in the starting lineup to score. However, that was when McGrady was still playing. Something that is whacky but just might work is starting: Yao Hayes Scola Artest Brooks You would have to run a more slashing, cutting offense. But most importantly you would have to hire a coach who knows what he is doing
Scola at the three? Really?! You continue to dazzle me with how little you know about basketball. Please go back into hiding.
Wow seriously did you think about that? Scola at the 3? really? So you would want a lineup where against 95% of the league 4 of the starters would probably be slower and less agile than their direct opponent? Which of Hayes or Scola would you have playing on the perimeter? Chuckwagon going to show some touch from downtown is he?
Uhm... Noooooo. Or, are you just one of those short sighted fans who think your Small Forward has to be able to shoot the 3? You are probably too young to remember this guy: http://everything2.com/title/Anthony%20Mason He still averaged 11 rebounds per game at Small Forward.
Scola is NOT Anthony Mason. Not even close. Mason was a bruiser, one of the last true "enforcer" types the NBA has seen. He was very strong in the upper body much like Artest is. Like Artest, he was physical and ferocious enough to defend both forward positions. Scola is a completely different type of player: a finesse player with crafty low post moves and a reliable mid-range jumper which is ALL he has on the perimeter. He's not quick enough defensively to defend three's. He also lacks the perimeter game or outside shot necessary to play the three on a team centered around Yao. In your crazy Scola/Hayes/Yao frontcourt scenario: How can you not see how badly overcrowded Yao would get and how badly this would kill spacing? This simply wouldn't work. The only way you would be able to post up Yao would be to send both Scola and Hayes weakside in a vail attempt to give Yao enough room to operate. This is not logical by any means especially once teams start playing off of Hayes. Yao would get swarmed worse than usual.
Worst thread all-time!!! You are taking out Battier because he isnt doing much on offense and then, you put Hayes at his place who is probably the offense player in the league. Then, you have Scola at 3. With that line-up, Yao would always get triple team and our offense would be the worst in the league. If Battier goes to the bench, then, the only player that should start should be Wafer, no one else. But I am sure that Battier will get back his 3s and the hate will stop.
I am so sick of hearing the Yao double team and spacing stuff. The way you guys talk, Yao gets a 1-on-1 every time he touches the ball. He is getting the same kind of touches now as he did when Chuck was in the starting lineup. Not going to change with Scola at the 3 just like it didn't change when he was at the 4. Now, if The Rockets can swing a deal to get Nowitzki, then I will bite. Otherwise, Yao is getting doubled everytime regardless and the spacing is still the same because no team is dumb enough to leave him open. But, I do agree with you on Scola not being Anthony Mason. Anthony Mason could Play defense, Post up, Pass, Dribble, you know, play basketball
Are we really gonna go here again? I'm still waiting for your response the last time we had this spacing and 4-on-5 discussion about Chuck. You know, the first time (out of like 2-3) you proposed this radical idea and got flamed/'rookied'.
First and foremost I think Battier is a great player. By simply adjusting the starting lineup doesn't mean we need to linch the guy. Chuck would bring so much to the game. He can gaurd people like Duncan all the way to people like Kobe. Who in this league has the ability to do that?? On top of this, Chuck is a very quick player. Didn't you see that dive he took to save the ball in the recent Lakers game? That man can truely play. The only arguement there is to keep battier in the game is that he is a complete player and that we should not look at his scoring numbers. We can use this same argument for chuck. Geesh! All i am saying is to give Chuck MORE MINUTES. I think he can contribute. Even though Battier is not on the slump, GIVE CHUCK MORE MINUTES!!
Anthony Mason was a really good ball-handler, and that's why he was able to play the small forward position. He was used as a point-forward in New York under Don Nelson and then later when he played for the Hornets.
You can't be serious. If Anthony Mason was playing in todays version of the NBA he would get torched at the 3 spot. Back then everyone played their natural position. Today nobody is playing their natural position. Most teams are playing small ball.
This is ridiculous... This lineup wouldn't be used unless we needed a rebound are something. You've gotta be kidding me!!!
Um .... Chuck makes us run 4 on 5 on offense and doesn't create the spacing that Battier gives us. Scola isn't quick enough to defend most SF. Offensive efficiency goes down; defensive efficiency goes down.
Really OP? Really? You'd rather have the foul-wagon (as I've coined Chuck) out there more than Battier? I am *not* a fan of Hayes by any means, though his save against the Nuggets I must acknowledge. I don't think ANYONE knew he could draw that kind of a save. But overall, Chuck can't shoot. Battier can shoot sporadically and normally he hits when it counts. Chuck... just no. Bench his ass. In my personal opinion, he needs to be on that inactive list and Dorsey needs to be brought in. Unfortunately Dorsey can't match Hayes' defense so he sits there on the bench. It is really unfortunate. I was really hoping that Rick would put in Dorsey when we were routing the Suns the other night but oh well. I kind of sidetracked the thread there, sorry.
