Does it make everyone feel better that our very own beat reporter for the Chronicle confuses the CBA sometimes? This means we all get one bad for the month as well...except aelliott, he must never be wrong! Unfortunately for us, Mobley can't opt-out until after his FIFTH season. I don't think we will be going down this road. From Larry Coon the internet-guru of the CBA:
Yeah, but isn't Rashard Lewis doing that also? I think he is signing a 3-year deal with an opt-out after 2 seasons... ------------------ NOTHING BUT .NET CLUTCHCITY.NET
Let me pull an aelliott and quote the FAQ again: We have a clear contradiction. I'm just reporting it, because I've been wrong before about Feigan being wrong. Looks like the reporters are assuming the termination opt-outs can occur at any year, like they used to.
How about if I pull an aelliott and quote the correct portion of the FAQ What you're quoting is the section for early termination option. What Mobley is getting is an option year. Those are different things. Here's the FAQ take on the difference: Here's a summary of the difference between a player option and an ETO: Options can be for one year only, while ETO's can be for one year (six or seven year contracts) or two years (seven year contracts only) Options can be included in contracts of any length, but ETO's are allowed only with six or seven year contracts ETO's can be based on performance benchmarks, but options can't Only a player can be given an ETO, but an option can be given to the player or to the team http://www.members.home.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#42 BTW Shandon Anderson's deal was signed under the current CBA and it's a 2yr deal with a player option for a third year . ------------------ [This message has been edited by aelliott (edited August 02, 2000).]
Now doesn't everyone love the Collective Bargaining Agreement? If it's so Collective how come the fans didn't get a say, so we could make it a little less complicated? ------------------ The more lefties on your team, the better. Collier is Seven Foot and Left Handed. How can you go wrong? Trade or bench Kenny Thomas.
aelliott, now that was funny. ------------------ In related news, the RNC has gathered every politician that Bill Clinton ever defeated to speak on behalf of George W. Bush.
Are we saying Mobley and Lewis are signing 2 yrs with a Player Option to extend to three. That's what we always thought would happen. Then what is the big deal these journalist are making about fancy clauses. We all knew about player extensions. Yes, we're saying that Mobley and Lewis are signing 2 yr deal with a player option for a fourth year. I don't neccessary think that jounalist are making a big deal about the clauses, I simply think that they are reporting the facts. Feagan clearly says "longer contract with an opt-out after 2 yrs"...I read that as signing a longerterm for security with an early-termination. Is it worded badly? Yes. But there's two possible ways to interpret what Feagan means. Since one is not allowed for short term deals (and that's what Mobley is reported to be signing) and the other is, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he's talking about player options. Aelliott, wake up, people have been talking about the ETOs on this board for the past 2 weeks. Truthfully, I really haven't been reading the board that much lately. Somehow after spending a couple of weeks wading through threads declaring Langhi to be a Bullard clone, I didn't have the will to dig through a dozen threads saying the Langhi is the man. aelliott, tell me how you interpret the Feagan quote. Is it a longterm with a 2yr early termination, or a 2yr with a player option to extend at 12.5% raise for the third? The latter is a yawner. Why would he make a big deal about that? It's a 2yr deal with a player option for a 3rd year. Again, I don't think that he made a big deal about it, he just reported the details. "Lewis stands to receive more than $3.9 million in the first season, followed by annual raises of 12.5 percent to $4.5 million in 2001-02 and, if he doesn't exercise his option, $4.9 million in 2002-03." The writers are using the term option to mean that Mobley or Lewis has the option on whether or not they are under contract for that 3rd year. That's all they mean by it. It's more natural to think of it that way. You've already pointed out that they can't do a ETO, so what else could they mean? If you want to write the reporter and correct his wording, then go for it, but I don't see that there's any question as to what he means. So what's the big deal, that was pretty obvious long ago. You seem to be the only person making a big deal about this. What are we disagreeing on Aelliott. I'm never completely sure of what we disagree on. ------------------ [This message has been edited by aelliott (edited August 02, 2000).]
i know this is a bit off the subject, but since all of you cba geniuses are hanging out in this thread i was wondering if you could tell me why the named the rights after bird? why do they call them bird rights? why not hakeem rights? or moses rights? or magic rights? thanks for your help (assuming it is given) i've been dying to know this for a while. ------------------ "When the mind is thinking, it is talking to itself." .... Plato
The Celtics were the first team allowed to go over the cap to resign their own free agent, and it was Larry Bird who was the player they resigned. ------------------ The more lefties on your team, the better. Collier is Seven Foot and Left Handed. How can you go wrong? Trade or bench Kenny Thomas.
oh yeah you're talking about collective bargaining agreements , i thought for a minute you were talking about the Continental Basketball Association , i am so lost ------------------ President of the Rockets/Raiders Fan Club
so we agree, No one should interpret these two articles as meaning EARLY TERMINATION at 2yrs, cause the CBA doesn't allow that anymore like it used to. Funny how Clutch interpreted the articles as early termination, so did I, anyone else....?
I interepreted as a mere player option. Or maybe I'm just agreeing with aelliott cause he's undefeated in capology discussions. ------------------ The more lefties on your team, the better. Collier is Seven Foot and Left Handed. How can you go wrong? Trade or bench Kenny Thomas.
homina homina homina. ------------------ In related news, the RNC has gathered every politician that Bill Clinton ever defeated to speak on behalf of George W. Bush.
hp, If your intention was to show that Jonathan Feigan made a poor choice of terminology you have done and admirable job. ------------------ Current Rocket's Salary & Contract Info
Davo..thanks Alright...this got carried away. Here was my interpretation of Feagan's wording... I saw people say after the Aldridge 6yr report that Mobley could sign a 6 yr and do an early termination at 2yrs. That can't be done, but it was available in early CBAs. I read Feagan as implying that.
*Approaches aelliott, heypartner, and davo humbly* Oh great cap gurus, could you please tell me what exactly is the difference between and ETO and a player option? *rapidly ducks before something is thrown at him* ------------------
**Old wording from previous CBA that is largley meaningless now, allows for performance-based opt-outs. **ducks behind Haven
Well, this thing just got a little stranger. We were expecting a 2 yr deal with a player option for 3. However, this was posted in another thread and is on nbatalk that Cuttino signed a 6 yr 31 mil deal. If that is the case, then he cannot opt out till after the 5th yr of the deal right? ------------------ Check out the Best Source for Draft Info Draftsource.net
Since I started this thread let me answer that MManal. Yes, anything 4 yrs and longer CANNOT opt-out at 2 yrs for Full Bird, which can easily be read into Feigan's quote above. Why he uses longer contract and 2nd yr opt-out in the same sentence alludes me. What the quote should read is: "the most lucrative deal is 2 or 3yr (with opt-out) to allow him Full Bird in 2yrs. Longer contracts would provide more security and larger signing bonuses, but he wouldn't become a Full Bird free agent as fast." off subject. I still say the most lucrative deal is a 1yr middle class so he can start Full Bird next year at something approaching Croshere pay, not to mention restart a whole new Full Bird countdown. But that's for another argument.
Here we go again... Are we saying Mobley and Lewis are signing 2 yrs with a Player Option to extend to three. That's what we always thought would happen. Then what is the big deal these journalist are making about fancy clauses. We all knew about player extensions. That is not how I interpret the articles. Feagan clearly says "longer contract with an opt-out after 2 yrs"...I read that as signing a longerterm for security with an early-termination. Aelliott, wake up, people have been talking about the ETOs on this board for the past 2 weeks. ETOs are not allowed after 2 years according to what both you and I quoted from the FAQ. Don't quote the FAQ aelliott, tell me how you interpret the Feagan quote. Is it a longterm with a 2yr early termination, or a 2yr with a player option to extend at 12.5% raise for the third? The latter is a yawner. Why would he make a big deal about that? And here is the AP wire about Lewis that Clutch referred to. "Lewis stands to receive more than $3.9 million in the first season, followed by annual raises of 12.5 percent to $4.5 million in 2001-02 and, if he doesn't exercise his option, $4.9 million in 2002-03." That sounds a lot like a 3yr deal with player allowed to terminate early. An extension would read, "if he DOES excercise his option". No? I'm reading that as an ETO, so it's contradicting the quotes both you and I gave from the FAQ It is not a matter of interpreting the FAQ here; it is a matter of interpreting the articles. Player EXTENSIONs are about INVOKING another year at standard raise, not opting-out as the Lewis article seems to say. Player EARLY TERMINATIONS that offer longterm security and an early out as a free agent cannot happen until the FIFTH year. Personally, what I think is going down is a 2yr with a player option for a third at 12.5% raise. So what's the big deal, that was pretty obvious long ago. What are we disagreeing on Aelliott. These articles seem to be talking about EARLY TERMINATIONS in my mind.
