[CHRONIC] The Rockets don't appear to be a factor with star players

What does it matter if he will only be here for two years..

 

It's also obvious the rockets aren't an attractive destination because of Yao's health.

 

The paradigm has shifted, whereas it used to be that a lot of assets made you a good trading partner, it is now more about the players on your team.

Lebron and company shifted everything.

Morey went about it the right way, unfortunatly, the sand shifted under his very feet.

DD

 

It kind of sucks to see all of the great maneuvering that Morey did the past two seasons go to complete waste, from the "getting a star player" market.

The good news is, the Rockets have a good team without a star player anyways.

 

There is strong possibiloity that all of this might change given a year of Yao'a playing recovery!

 

What are you talking about??????????????????
Yao Ming is our Star Player!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

This makes no sense. Unless every player has a clause to reject trades, it's still the GM's decision.


Yao hasn't shown the ability or capacity to last deep into the playoffs, and now he's recovering?

Fans can dream, but once these players start calculating, the risks don't outweigh the rewards.

 

You missed the point, star players are in charge of their careers more than ever, and now, they are being even more picky about where they will play.

Star players used to want to lead a franchise, not anymore, it is much more than that,.....exposure, fame, etc. etc...etc.

DD

 

Good post, DD. Things changed very fast. Paul and Melo see the future and it is not with their respective teams. It might not be with the Rockets either.

The agents drive the league now, like directing traffic, and somehow we are being avoided like a plague.

The silver liner for us is that this consolidation of power in a few teams has the effect of diluting the rest of the league, which means we may actually have a better chance to get into the playoffs and perhaps have a deeper run.

If Yao can play 25 minutes and the rest of our roster is relatively healthy, I think we could be a dark horse.

I really don't understand the panic here. It is not as if Brooks, Martin, Lowry, Yao, Miller, Ariza, Battier, etc... are trash. They are talented in their own way, and I can't wait to see them this coming season.

At the end of the day

 

not only do i not want this douchebag paul on our team, i hope the next time he plays us and talks his usual smack, ariza smacks him into the 2nd row.

 

AND thats WHY I said 6 months ago when I joined to TANK. This isnt a new trend.

Tmac didnt come to houston because of CD's assets, he came because yao was young and healthy.

Same with barkley joining hakeem. If we had no hakeem,barkley would have refused to come here. This has been going on for years , so DD its not under moreys feet.

Morey should have known assets isnt good enough. I knew it. I get bashed everytime I say something negative, but once its in the chronicle its okay to say something about it.

The only way to bring a bosh or paul, is you have to have a superstar first,then a medium to large market, then either cap space for TE or assets.

We have everything except the superstar. Thats where tanking comes in. But of course 99% of you will bash this and the other 1% is to scared to back me up.

Rockets wont sign a superstar because signing miller,lowry,scola,(nx yr yao) prevents having cap space with all those players added up.

Rockets cant trade for one ,because players have more leverage than you know and dont want to come here.FInally,the chron gets a clue.

The ONLY solution is to draft one. You better tank to get a top 5 pick (cousins/wall) otherwise you keep getting pattersons/battiers/smart players but no real superstar.

Morey plays it safe. He gets a bunch of role players, so we have a average team,but not great and not bad. The best thing is to tank for 2-3 years and get a superstar(maybe even 2). Like what sacramento is doing. They were bad for 2 years, Chris Paul would rather join Tyreke/Cousins instead of injury prone yao and 30 yr old scola.

Makes no sense to keep signing role players to massive contracts for 4 years like lowry,scola,etc...and ruin any cap space and ruin any chance of a good pick in draft.

 

LeBron is an asset.

 

Originally Posted by DaDakota
The paradigm has shifted, whereas it used to be that a lot of assets made you a good trading partner, it is now more about the players on your team.

Lebron and company shifted everything.

Morey went about it the right way, unfortunatly, the sand shifted under his very feet.

DD


Why don't we wait until the Miami experiment works before we start awarding trophies. It does change things for this offseason but whether it lasts is yet to be seen

 

Buck, I didn't say it was going to be successful, just that it has shifted....I hope they fall on their face.....there is only one ball.

DD

 

one more point, while its good to have lebron/wade/bosh or gasol/kobe/artest, when one gets injured the season is lost

kobe rarely gets injured, same with lebron. but lets say lebron got injured last year and missed 30 games, cleveland would have missed playoffs.

so, think back to 2006 rockets, with yao,tmac, they were injured and the role players were so bad that we got the #8 pick in draft ...thats the problem with 2 superstars and no role players.

same goes for if orlando trades for paul...yeah howard/paul when healthy can be dominating, but if 1 gets injured, then they will suck. orlando is trading all its pieces to get paul, and paul has proven he cant stay healthy and even when he does, how has hornets been besides that 1 year?

i can see it now, we gut our bench for paul, paul gets injured ,then we lose many games with yao at 20 mpg trying to carry us. aint happening

while everyone loves superstars, and superstars begat superstars, its very hard to have quality role players, and quality bench when you have 2 max contracts. let alone 3,.

so, the rockets ,if morey can get iggy,or an upgrade, can possibly make serious noise if they stay healthy because having 8-10 very good players with no superstar can still win in this league...

would you rather have brooks,yao,martin,ariza,battier,hill,scola,miller,picks,patterson,lowry,cbud or amare,randolph,gallo and 10 scrubs with no picks?

obviously carmelo should pick houston over knicks but the dummy grew up in ghetto brooklyn so he wants to return to his roots....i hope he gets mugged stephen jackson style

 

He did it the right way by trading for Kevin Martin, perhaps knowing that free agents and players demanding trades don't want to play with an All-Star center with glass feet

 

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if we didnt sign lowry,miller,scola, then...
next summer 2011, we would have off the books,the salary used on brad miller,lowry,battier,jeffries,scola,anderson, and yao.

thats alot of cap space. i think only martin,ariza,brooks would be on the books.

we could then sign a superstar..oh wait, they dont want to sign here

but, tanking is good, we can hope NY tanks so our pick 2011 can be good, but what about the year after that,and after that? we need a superstar asap. if players dont want to play with yao, then we need to either trade yao for picks or tank to draft barnes/knight/jones/irving

 

Tanking is stupid. Teams like the Clippers, Grizzlies, and Raptors are awful year after year. It doesn't matter if they get a high draft pick because the talent to surround the pick with is so awful, and the pick just leaves after a few years.

Morey is on the right path. Have a good team with enough flexibility to acquire a star if possible.