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Chronic: Does character count to the Rockets? What about to you?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rockets34Legend, Jul 21, 2007.

  1. Rockets34Legend

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    http://blogs.chron.com/lopezblog/archives/2007/07/does_character.html

    Now, certainly from the outside in we never truly know all the little dramas and ego trips within the locker-room walls that ultimately effect the outcome of a season.

    In terms of his personality and how he has treated me, Steve Francis has been more than fine. And Bonzi Wells, as hard as I and others have been on him over the shape he came into camp and attitude issues, has been fine, too.

    That said, those are all real issues. Ever remember any teammate of Francis' calling him unselfish or a great teammate?

    Don't you remember how big-time advertisers got out of contracts with the Rockets, based solely on being turned off by the behavior and lack of character of the Francis-era Rockets?

    Do you recall that the word "attitude" was mentioned not just in the great Super Bowl fiasco with Jeff Van Gundy's Rockets, but throughout Francis career — from the sulk that got him out of Vancouver, to stops at Orlando and New York?

    This is a huge, huge risk. I'd like to think the character of players like Yao Ming, Tracy McGrady and Shane Battier, along with the unselfishness of Battier, McGrady, Luis Scola and others will help Francis understand his role and mesh.

    But make no mistake: Francis has had issues before and they don't just go away overnight.

    The Rockets have thrown another potential problem into the locker-room. That's not saying Francis will be a problem.

    It's saying Rick Adelman better not just turn his head and ignore potentially volatile situations — and they will come up. This is going to take Adelman's best work. And even then, the whole thing could blow up.
     
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  2. JD317²

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    lopez can suck IT
     
  3. mateo

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    Look, I am glad we got Francis, he's gonna be a great addition to our bench and makes for some great injury insurance. But Lopez isnt full of crap. Francis has been called a malcontent on many occasions. Lets not have short memories here. I cant be the only person who was freaking relieved to dump Francis's albatross of a max contract for TMac, can I?

    I'm willing to believe that he's matured, that he's able to realize that he's not the first or second option on offense, and that he's trying to recreate his image after being basically dumped by 3 teams in 4 years. And I am starting to buy into the hype that the painful unwatchable dribbleball was a Rudy scheme...altho I recall Rudy was more of a swinging gate coach during the Dream years. And its a worthwhile gamble. If his knees are shot, or he passes the ball to Clutch the Bear too many times, or if he just is on the downside of career...well, it didnt cost us much, did it?
     
  4. JD317²

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    half this forum is way too concerned with steve.
    we got him for extremely cheap so we really have nothing to worry about.
     
  5. krosfyah

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    Just like Bonzi last season, if Francis starts acting up then you bench him. Simple.

    Low Risk / High Reward.

    I don't understand why people are opposed to this at $2 mil. Your a fool to not pull the trigger on this deal. Sometime things work ...sometimes they don't. But your a fool not to try this when it lands in your lap.
     
  6. mateo

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    Half of this forum is delusional enough to think Stevie is the same guy he was in 2002....and extremely defensive when any of us realists point out that he might have sucked a little recently. Those of us in Manhattan who get stuck watching dreadful Knick games have seen a lot more Stevie than the average Sportscenter highlight watching Houstonian. He had some bright spots, but he had some really bad moments. And yes, the NYPost is mean spirited at times...just ask A-Rod...so you gotta believe he isnt the complete and utter team cancer they made him out to be at times

    Like I said, I'm glad we have him....its all upside, as far as I can tell. But lets chase our unbridled enthusiasm with a little dose of reality.
     
  7. Mr. Clutch

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    I like this stance he's taking. It's not like it's something that's rehashed before.
     
  9. nyquil82

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    Dear Chron,

    I wrote some crap in my stupid blog thing. Send me my check.

    Sincerely,
    John Lopez
     
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    Why do those professoional writers have so much concern about Steve will steal the seats Yao and T-mac occupied? If Steve is able to do it, it's great! If he can not to do it, there is no way he can steal it. Please just enjoy those two summer gifts for a while. WIth this team now, i am not worried about Yao's foot or T-mac's back, wahtever we are playoff team.
     
  11. WNBA

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    yeah, it is very wise to think like this:

    Bad things: issues-------> will never change. Aldelman, Yao, Tmac, and his mom cannot make him better.

    Good things: 3 time all star PG skills------->do not matter, ignored, he lost it, he changed this part. we don't need it. never happen.

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    Giving away JLIII to HO is also a huge, huge risk, because he could become Michael Jordan. Mr.Lopez should worry about that.
     
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    For once Lopez makes valid points.

    For those of you who say this is "low risk": If SF becomes an important part of the team and acts up later in the season, that isn't low risk. Same for Bonzi. Same for MJ. The financial risk for Les Alexander is low but the risk for team chemistry could be high. Let's hope everyone's sole focus is winning a championship this upcoming season instead of their own agenda on the court. If someone flames out early in the season, cut 'em. No harm done. But if they become a key part of the rotation and act out during the stretch drive, that will hurt.
     
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    From what I can tell, Lopez is like the Rosen of the Chron. His job is to give a cynical opinion and harp on how the Rockets are doing too many of the wrong things to win. Personally, I find him redundant because the Chron already has that Blinebury guy to do all the cynical blog things, and although he's annoying, he's at least funnier than Lopez.
     
  14. thumbs

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    Within reason I prefer a live and let live approach to cheering for players. Guys like Shane Battier are easy to cheer because of their intelligence and positive attitude. The "gangsta" stylings I personally find juvenile and indicative of low intelligence. And, of course, I could never stomach someone like Kobe Bryant, a rapist and cancer to the basketball community.
     
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    Good post. Reality is he is 30 years old and a much wiser basketball player that will make better decisions when given the minutes. Reality also is he is 30 years old and his game has been built around athleticism, physically he is probably starting to decline, which could mean more games out with nagging injuries and not the ability to do what he used to be able to do. Reality also is because of his limitations he won't be able to make some of the stupid bone headed plays he made because he now realizes that physically he can't do it, if he couldn't do it when he was younger, stronger, faster, and quicker, then he knows he can't do them now.

    Reality is we are getting a baller with some mileage but still plenty of game left on a low contract, in a position in his career where he needs to reprove himself to the league, at least for this year. He is gonna bust tail, write that down. He always busted tail. But mark it down. Stevie does not want his career to be over. He's playing for his pride, for his legacy, and for his next contract. He is gonna bust tail. And he will be a major factor in the success of this team.

    The last reality is if a coach like Adelman can work with guys like Bonzi and Artest and make them love him, he's gonna be able to get the best out of Franchise.
     
  16. Mr. Clutch

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    Based on what?

    Just because he's older?
     
  17. Chuck 4

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    My sentiment exactly. Lopez is quickly passing Richard Justice in my dumbass-o-meter. Seriously, when was the last time Lopez had a cloumn that wasnt completely negative? Gloom and doom with that jerk all the time. Perhaps thats why JVG was his boy...
     
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    If half of this forum is "delusional enough to think Stevie is the same guy he was in 2002", then the other half is delusional thinking he isn't. In the end, a leopard doesn't change its spots. While it's true that Francis isn't the same guy physically - that's a fact but mentally, he's still "the Franchise" because that's his core identity that is the driving force behind his basketball persona. I love all of the posts extolling how SF3's "longwalk" (Judge Dredd reference) through the NBA wasteland has somehow transformed his ego and humbled him in ways not present in 2002. Nonsense! While I'm sure that his pride has been damaged at having been traded to 5 teams in his career, I certain that his ego is still intact else he wouldn't be playing the game. SF3's ego is still intact and alive and well. Same thing with Mike James. Anyone here care to argue that Mike James' experience in Minny has humbled him and changed his basketball personality?
     
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    Why does a Spurs homer write about the Rockets...FOR a Houston newspaper?

    Mr. J-Lo can stick it where the sun don't shine...
     
  20. thephatp

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    Yeah, because Francis is exactly the same person he was 3 years ago, despite all that he has been through. :rolleyes:

    Of course, that's what all coaches do, especially good ones. Why, I'd be shocked if Adelman didn't turn his head at these situations. :rolleyes:

    Lopez, you're a moron. :eek:
     

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