1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

(Chron) Spurs-Mavericks shows Rockets their Blueprint

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by dream2franchise, May 18, 2006.

  1. dream2franchise

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2002
    Messages:
    2,292
    Likes Received:
    900
    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3868832.html

    Spurs-Mavericks shows Rockets their blueprint

    By JONATHAN FEIGEN
    Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

    Somewhere between games and tape sessions, between nights chasing Dirk Nowitzki to the 3-point line and watching the Spurs surround Tim Duncan with the small and swift, Robert Horry let his mind wander.

    When Horry allows himself to think about glory days, there are many from which to choose. But in watching what has become of the NBA, rather than consider the Spurs and their defense of their championship, he drifted all the way back to the first time he was a part of a champion trying to remake itself to keep its title.


    "I was thinking, 'yeah, yeah we started it,' " Horry said of the 1995 Rockets and how far ahead of the times they were when they got rid of a broad-shouldered banger of a power forward to surround a low-post marvel with a team of shooters and slashers. "We started it, but we started it by mistake. It was by committee.

    "It was, 'OK, who's going to guard (Charles) Barkley? Pete Chilcutt, you do it. Uh, you can't do it. Chucky (Brown), you do it. Damn. Rob, what the hell, you try.' It worked. Once we started rolling like that, we kept it like that.

    "I was thinking about it the other day. They're weeding out the big man little by little. Pretty soon it's going to be all athletic guards. It reminds of when we used to just put Dream (Hakeem Olajuwon) on the block and everybody run around, slice-cut, spot-up, and it was up to you to try to (defend) Dream on your own."

    Athletic guards needed

    This is offered not just as a little reminiscence to help Rockets fans get through the interminably long offseason.
    This is to show what the offseason needs to be.

    If the evidence of the past two seasons is not clear enough, the playoffs going on without them has demonstrated to the Rockets where the league has gone.

    The Rockets have three power forwards under contract and just one shooting guard, the undersized Luther Head.

    Yet, a look at the playoffs has shown the Rockets need a change at power forward as much as additions at guard — and as much as when they decided a skinny, 24-year-old Horry was the answer.

    "A lot of teams are now going with a big guy and four smalls, four perimeter players," Dallas coach Avery Johnson said. "That's the way the league is now."

    Johnson has the unusual option of using Nowitzki, "a 7-foot shooting guard" as Michael Finley called him. The Spurs have countered by benching all four of their centers and lately Horry, too, to surround Duncan with shooters and slashers. And with that mix, the Spurs and Mavericks have been spectacular.

    "There's a lot of good players in the league who are able to take advantage of the way the game is being called these days as far as fouls and what the defense is allowed to do and not allowed to do out on the court," Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said. "Attacking and driving and being in that mode has been a lot more beneficial than it was in the past, so attacking the bucket with smalls, it's tough for big guys to guard that."

    Big men must have range

    Rules changes that allow zones have required shooters. By preventing hand-checks and holds on the perimeter, quickness rather than strength is rewarded.
    With Yao Ming in the low post for the Rockets, forwards need to be somewhere else.

    The draft likely will not produce a Rasheed Wallace, unless LaMarcus Aldridge develops that kind of shooting range. Tim Thomas is about as close as free agency offers.

    The specialists are always out there. If Keith Van Horn can stay healthy, he might be between specialist and solution.

    The draft can offer specialists Kevin Pittsnogle and Steve Novak. Rudy Gay or perhaps Rodney Carney might fit the long, quick forward type in the Shawn Marion, Boris Diaw, Josh Howard mold.

    Check out almost any team on a level the Rockets seek and it is clear this is the way the league is going — and as Horry remembered fondly — where it has been.
     
  2. DeAleck

    DeAleck Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2003
    Messages:
    3,204
    Likes Received:
    224
    Wow, I can't believe what Feigan is suggesting --- sign Wang Zhizhi???? :eek: :eek: :eek:
     
  3. m_cable

    m_cable Member

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2002
    Messages:
    9,455
    Likes Received:
    73
    I totally agree with this article. The days of needing a banger/enforcer at the 4 are pretty much gone. You need a 4 with quickness and offensive skills. The road to the Rockets success will be surrounding Yao with four swingmen/guards. Take out the traditional PF and insert a long, athletic SF-type like Horry or Marion. Theoretically T-mac would be able to fill that role, but with the uncertainty in his back, I wouldn't bank of that for now.

    That is why I'm really warming up to the idea of Rudy Gay. He's long, athletic, with skills to burn. He could easily be an Horry-esque role player even if he never reaches his potential.

    Then we add penetrators and shooters in the backcourt and let them run around while Yao does his damage inside. That's why we need to sign back Mike James if he's willing to take our mle.

    Draft Gay and another swingman with our 2nd rounder (Ager, Hassan, Denham Brown, Sun Yue etc.), add James, and if Head can improve his overall skills then we can be a legit contender.

    Start out with a mixture of Rafer, James, and Head in the backcourt, three guys with different skills and strengths. Then we throw a stack of swingmen out there with Tracy, Gay, 2nd rounder, and maybe Bogans if he shoots 25,000 three pointers this summer. Then we bring down the hammer with Yao, soon to be the most unstoppable lowpost scoring threat in the league.

    Rafer / Head
    Gay / James / 2nd rounder
    Tracy / Gay / Bogans / 2nd rounder
    Stro / Howard / Gay
    Yao / Stro / Deke

    Stro or Howard would start, but the crunch time lineup would be:

    James
    Best leftover guard, probably either Luther/Rafer
    T-mac
    Gay
    Yao

    If James isn't willing to come for the MLE, then go out and sign Rasaul Butler with half our MLE and the other half to V-Span.

    Rafer / Head
    Butler / V-Span / 2nd rounder
    Tracy / Gay / Bogans / 2nd rounder
    Stro / Howard / Gay
    Yao / Stro / Deke

    With our crunch time lineup of:

    Rafer/Head
    Butler/V-span
    Tracy
    Gay
    Yao

    We'd finally have enough athletes on this team to go up against the big boys in the league.
     
    #3 m_cable, May 18, 2006
    Last edited: May 18, 2006
  4. compucomp

    compucomp Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2006
    Messages:
    539
    Likes Received:
    0
    It won't happen. I don't think the CBA will let Wang Zhi Zhi back in the NBA after what happened the first time, and I don't think Wang wants to repeat his story either.
     
  5. Zboy

    Zboy Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2002
    Messages:
    27,234
    Likes Received:
    21,958
    This is what I have been saying.

    Get rid of Juwan Howard and surround Yao with 4 big atheletic guards/mobile forwards.

    Tmac is obviously one. The other 3 should be of SF mold. Big, stong, athletic, who can move, cut, defend and rebound but most important of all, can SHOOT FROM OUTSIDE!

    Have Yao guard the paint and the other lanky SF/guards cut off the perimeter/passing lanes.

    Keep pounding the ball down low into Yao and spot up shooters all over the place or cut to the basket.

    Having Juwan Howard taking up a starting spot on the roster is a serious handicap in the new version of the league.
     
  6. Aruba77

    Aruba77 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 1999
    Messages:
    15,574
    Likes Received:
    19,328
    I agree with some of the points in this article, but there are plenty of teams having sucess while using a banging power forward, not finess 3pt shooting power forwards. There's a little team out west called the Clippers, with a guy named Elton Brand. They did pretty well this year.

    Shaq and Haslem do pretty well together too.
    Duncan is by no means a 3pt. shooter.

    Yes you need 4's with range, but you also need 4's who can bang and play defense. Neither should be mutually exclusive of the other. That's what substitutions are for. Right now, not one of the pfs on this roster fits either profile of the pf we need. (no offense to Hayes)

    I am in total agreement about the shooting guard issue as it pertains to this article.
     
  7. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2002
    Messages:
    43,789
    Likes Received:
    3,708
    has this guy ever heard of stromile swift?
     
  8. TracyMcCrazyeye

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2006
    Messages:
    744
    Likes Received:
    5
    radmanovic anyone? he's 6'10, can shoot the outside range, and pretty athletic for a guy his size.
     
  9. MadMax

    MadMax Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 1999
    Messages:
    76,683
    Likes Received:
    25,924
    that's awesome!!! :D
     
  10. McGradySNKT

    McGradySNKT Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2005
    Messages:
    1,693
    Likes Received:
    2
    LOL, tell PHX that they no longer need amare because he isnt a perimeter 4 that plays like a guard and watch their face
     
  11. m_cable

    m_cable Member

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2002
    Messages:
    9,455
    Likes Received:
    73
    Kaman is totally getting run out of that series. The Clippers have had their best success when Brand is at the C, and a guy like Maggette slides over to the PF.

    Same deal with San Antonio, where Duncan is playing center and Rasho, and Nazr can't even sniff the court, not to mention that even Big Shot Rob, Super-clutch Horry isn't getting his normal burn because he just can't keep up anymore.

    Shaq and Haslem are playing pretty well together, but Walker is getting much of the crunch time minutes at the 4.

    Last I checked, Amare has been playing center for the past year and change. And it's not that 4s need to play on the perimeter. But that they need to be quick and mobile and have offensive skills. A healthy Amare had all of those things, and would surely have succeeded at the PF this year. The days of the plodding enforcer-type PF is over.

    I think Feigan misses the mark a little (that Keith Van Horn suggestion is patently absurd) with the perimeter shooting 4. I mean he's right that a PF can't be an offensive liability anymore, and can't strictly have an inside game. But I think it's much more important that the PF be someone with quickness and athleticism to matchup on defense, along with some skills to succeed against soft zones on offense (such as shooting, or penetration, or the ability to slash, catch, and finish). Not necessarily a sweet shooting 4, but a 4 that can punish the defense's rotations.
     
  12. tinman

    tinman 999999999
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 1999
    Messages:
    104,374
    Likes Received:
    47,270
    lets not forget that the Mavs/Spurs's guards can shoot.
    our guards cant hit Robin Givens if they were Mike Tyson.
     
  13. Dr of Dunk

    Dr of Dunk Clutch Crew

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 1999
    Messages:
    46,634
    Likes Received:
    33,637
    "Big men must have range".
    "With Yao Ming in the low post for the Rockets, forwards need to be somewhere else."

    :)
     
  14. YallMean

    YallMean Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2003
    Messages:
    14,284
    Likes Received:
    3,815
    If this is the line up we are going to have next year, I will be really pissed.

     
  15. m_cable

    m_cable Member

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2002
    Messages:
    9,455
    Likes Received:
    73
    Why. What's wrong with it.

    If all Gay does is just be an athletic body that can score some, then he'd be giving this team a Deng or Igudola. And how good would we have been if we had Deng or Igudola out there instead of Wesley. And the entire league is now catering to guys like Mike James. He's ferocious at attacking the rim and can shoot the 3 ball.

    If we can't sign James, then V-span and Butler would be a decent backup plan. I can see Butler as this year's Raja Bell signing, good defender and a good three point shooter. And V-span should be able to add some of the penetration and scoring that James would have brought.

    Considering our assets and how much money we have to work with, I think it's a good, realistic plan.
     
    #15 m_cable, May 18, 2006
    Last edited: May 18, 2006
  16. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2002
    Messages:
    43,789
    Likes Received:
    3,708
    swift actually has a pretty good mid range jumper, and I'm not a swift fan.
     
  17. baller4life315

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2003
    Messages:
    12,700
    Likes Received:
    3,034
    If this is the case then how could JVG possibly be the coach that we need? These "all offense/little defense" kind of line-up's we're seeing from Dallas, Phoenix and now San Antonio don't exactly fit the mold of a JVG team.

    I totally agree that the landscape of the game is changing with this emphasis on athletic guards with the death of traditional post play, but honestly how is a no non-sense/defensive minded kind of coach like JVG going to lead a team aiming to simply outscore their opponents? Can you really picture one of his teams averaging 100 points a game? I know I can't.
     
    #17 baller4life315, May 18, 2006
    Last edited: May 18, 2006
  18. jopatmc

    jopatmc Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2002
    Messages:
    15,370
    Likes Received:
    390
    1. Get top 3 Lotto.

    2. Draft Bargnani

    3. Sign MJ or do a S&T for MJ

    4. Draft Nokak with the 2nd round pick.

    5. Sign Morris Almond to a free agent and bring him to camp (he's a steal if he doesn't get drafted)

    5. S&T David Wesley and Stromile Swift to Portland for Darius Miles or to the Clippers for Maggette.

    6. Bring over Spanoulis

    7. Sign Qyntel Woods with balance of MLE.
     
  19. rimbaud

    rimbaud Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 1999
    Messages:
    8,169
    Likes Received:
    676
    That would have to be one gigantic MLE.
     
  20. m_cable

    m_cable Member

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2002
    Messages:
    9,455
    Likes Received:
    73
    Not true. JVG was the one that was going with a 3 guard, Mcgrady, and Yao lineup against the Mavs last year. And it's not a "little defense" lineup as long as Yao anchors the middle and the rest of the team defends and rotates with gusto.

    I mean look at San Antonio. They've been the model defensive team for the past 7-8 years. But now they've had to adjust or get blown out of the building. And look at the Pistons. They are really starting to pay the price for having an offensive liability in their lineup (Big Ben).

    If JVG can't adapt then dump him. You surround Yao and T-mac with some decent talent and a chimp could succeed with that team. JVG has no excuses.
     

Share This Page