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Chron: Rookies come broken in

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Free Agent, Nov 4, 2002.

  1. Free Agent

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    Rockets rookies come broken in

    By JONATHAN FEIGEN
    Copyright 2002 Houston Chronicle

    The first time Yao Ming was a rookie, now that was tough. The competition could not match the NBA and the stakes seemed smaller. He was not carrying the hopes of a nation then -- or his teammates' dirty laundry. He did not face the impatient scrutiny that rushes to judge him now.

    But everything seemed so new then as it does for so many young people as they move from their parents' home to their own lives. Culture shock is universal, even for those who are 7-5 basketball prodigies living in fishbowls.

    "I learned a lot from that," Yao said. "There's always something new to learn. Learning is a never-ending process. But I think it helped. I'm more prepared now.

    "Five years ago, I couldn't have played in the NBA. No. 1, I was so young. But I also didn't have the experience."

    Bostjan Nachbar knew just how he felt. It has also been five years since the first time he was a professional rookie. For Juaquin Hawkins, it has been six years since his first rookie season, and because the NBA is his seventh league, in some ways, he has been a rookie six times before.

    By now, the Rockets' "veteran rookies" do know how to carry bags and fetch doughnuts. More important as they take on the tougher task of figuring out how to play in the NBA, they do it as professional athletes, rather than wide-eyed teenagers.

    "I've been with older guys since I was 16, 17 years old," Nachbar said. "I'm used to being a professional. I'm used to training and traveling with older guys. If you're not used to it, it might be hard. I don't need to adjust to a professional life. I've been there before.

    "This is still the NBA. But some of it is not new for me. I have confidence in myself and my teammates. I'm not afraid of anything."

    The difference -- especially with the influx of NBA rookies who are not out of their teens -- has been noticed.

    "The difference between them and a guy coming out of college is that the guy coming out of college is not experienced at being truly out on his own," Rockets veteran Glen Rice said. "They are boys among men. These guys played overseas, played on different international teams. They have that feeling of being in the NBA and being in different situations, the hotels and being around people a whole lot more mature than the young kids we have coming in today. There's a great deal more maturity.

    "Definitely, having their experience and playing in different places gives them a little more than just playing at the collegiate level. It's going to help them. You do see a great deal of maturity, a little more understanding of what has to be done out there on the court. That's going to be a plus not only for the team, but for them as well."

    There is no question that there is a great deal to learn, and in Yao's case, under unusual pressure. He has acknowledged some nerves before his first few games, but has also shown increasing ease and confidence by the third game of his NBA career.

    Some of Yao's ability to take the madness around him in stride could be his personality and background.

    "Yao told Colin (Pine, his interpreter), `I think you're more excited than I am,' " Rockets coach Rudy Tomjanovich said. "He said, the Chinese way is not to be too up or too down about things.

    "He's been handling it very well. I can't put a time on when it will all come together. He's mentally tough, but there's so many different factors. There's a different lifestyle. There's different people. No summer league. No orientation. It's been as chaotic as you can imagine. It's going to take us time to find an identity. It's pretty crazy right now.

    "He has a very even temperament. He has a basic philosophy to just go out and do the best I can. I know everything is focused on this, and this is a big deal for the media. But it's just a little tiny step in a tremendous journey for him."

    But Yao believes his journey started five years ago.

    "I am just a rookie playing in the NBA," Yao said. "I have a lot to learn. But I definitely think those experiences will help me in my career."

    But the benefits are not just from the experience of playing, training and traveling with adult professionals. Yao, 22, Nachbar, 22, and Hawkins, 29, have played in games that were every bit as important to them as regular-season NBA games. Yao has played in the Olympics and World Championships. Nachbar played for the Italian league and European championships.

    "I can't say, because I've never been to college, how that prepares guys for the NBA," Nachbar said. "But I can say I have played tough games. I've had shots with the big games on the line. I've been there before.

    "Still, this is a different league, different rules, different style of play, so there is going to be something new for us too. It's not that we're going to say we've been here before. No. This is the first time for us again. I think the difference is we start playing big games when we are younger. And if you don't play, you're at least there on the bench and that's something, too, because you practice every day with older guys. That means a lot. We have more experience."

    Tomjanovich said the benefit of the rookies' experience might show when they struggle, though he said the limited action in the first few games, particularly for Yao and Nachbar, should not be confused for struggling. Nachbar did not play in the second half against the Nuggets or at all against the Raptors, but that is more of a reflection on Hawkins' play than Nachbar's, Tomjanovich said.

    "There's nothing negative there," he said.

    In the first three games, Hawkins has seemed the most polished of the rookies on the Rockets' active roster, hitting a pair of key fourth-quarter shots in Denver and drawing three charges against Toronto. He even drew his first start, with a defensive assignment on Vince Carter on Saturday, though that duty was cut short when Carter was hurt midway through the first quarter.

    Though his experience prior to reaching the NBA is less celebrated than Nachbar's and Yao's, it was no less important to him, or beneficial.

    "I played in the ABA championship last year," Hawkins said. "I played in the league championships in Japan. My team in China started off in second division and I played in the game to get to the first division. In college I played in the NCAA Tournament and the Big West championship game. I've played in a lot of big games.

    "For me, now, every game is big, every game. I made the team, but I have to contribute. My struggle is not over. Even though I'm here now, this is for my livelihood."

    If playing to build a career and pay the bills sounds like the approach of a veteran, it is because he is, even if he is also a rookie.
     
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    "I played in the ABA championship last year," Hawkins said. "I played in the league championships in Japan. My team in China started off in second division and I played in the game to get to the first division. In college I played in the NCAA Tournament and the Big West championship game. I've played in a lot of big games. "

    That's a damn impressive resume for a rookie! I only heard about the globetrotters part. He's used to (and probably expects) success in his teams, a great quality to have.

    yet another of RT's "diamonds"...
     
  3. rockbox

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    I think Pete Mickael has a similarly impressive resume. I think he has won on every team he been on.
     
  4. DearRock

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    I find it interesting that playing time for Nachbar was cut because of the play of Hawk. What is going to happen to Boki when KT, Rice and Tmo comes back? Boki should have played in those games, not instead of Hawk but in addition to.
     
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    I think that, because of last year's injuries, we forgot that Rudy normally brings rookies along VERY slowly. If you remember, it was almost painful for him to give Griffin big minutes last year.
     
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    I keep thinking this myself. We have 5 3s. Boki, Kenny, Glen, Terrence and Joaquin. 5!!!!! How will Rudy do it?
     
  7. DearRock

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    But, Sane, they are both rookies.
     
  8. Rockets2K

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    I love the way that Hawk is playin, but I hate that Boki isn't gettin time because of it. How the hell did we go from being way undermanned at the 3 to this? Who would have thought before the draft when we were all talkin about how badly we need a good SF, that we would be in this condition come the start of the season?

    Whats the solution..?
    KT does time at the 4 in smallball..has played well at SF...
    Rice may not be good for lots of minutes...
    Hawk is an asskickin defensive 3..something the Rox need desperately..can he back up Cat?
    Tmo.... it remains to be seen if he can continue his good play after he comes back..
    Boki....could be good, but we wont be able to tell till he gets more PT..

    Who do you want starting at SF?

    At this point, I would hand it to Hawk..his defense can not be denied..and we dont really need a great shooter at the 3..Stevie, Cat and Mo/KT at the 4 is plenty of scoring for first string..

    What do yall think?
     
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    Codell, I am thinking that Tmo should be viewed as a backup at PF and Hawk a backup at 2, leaving Rice, KT and Boki at the 3. I do not know about Pete, I have never seen him play. I do think that starting Tuesday we could put the following rotation on the court which would mean no time for Boki, once MoT gets back:

    Cato, EG, Rice, Wink, Mobley
    Ming, KT, Boki, Moochie, Hawk.
     
  10. codell

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    TMo looks to be the odd man out. Even if you put him at the 4, he has Griff and Taylor ahead of him. Put him back at the 3, he has Rice and Thomas ahead of him.
     
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    Tmo is in a tough spot. He has to remain ready once he is back. One of the three game had the makings of a blowout and I expect we will see a few more. It will be times like that Tmo will actually get back in. To me anytime we are up big, Rice should be on the bench.
     
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    In the game against the Raptors, I don't think it was Hawkins that kept Nachbar off the court, it was Mobley. Our guards (per usual) played too many minutes. Francis played 45 minutes, Mobley 42, and Norris 18. There are only 96 minutes available at the guard spots, so Mobley played 9 minutes at small forward. Most of those 9 minutes probably should have been spent on the bench, considering 42 minutes is too many to play and the fact that we were blowing them out of the water. Plus, Hawkins could have done some backup work at shooting guard.

    If Francis and Mobley played a more reasonable 38 minutes apiece, Nachbar could have had 11 minutes of court-time. I think the fact that Rudy would rather overplay his guards than put Nachbar in is a testament to his confidence in Nachbar, not his confidence in Hawk.
     
  13. Sane

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    KT was our insurance policy and he's been injured. What exactly is he good for once everynoe is healthy?


    Hawk will be the backup 2, KT will be gone, Rice, Boki and T-Mo will play the 3. T-Mo will also get 3rd string PF minutes.
     
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    I see us as:- Francis,Moochie(PG) Cat,Hawk (SG)
    KT,Nachbar,Rice (SF) Rice to play 10mins/gm. MoT, Griff,TMo (PF) TMo to play 10mins/gm. Cato,Yao Ming (C)
    At least from game 6 to game 20, by then Rudy should be able to see where we are going to this season and his starting five will be more defined.
    Rudy should not overplay the Guards and give Nachbar some PT.
     
  15. DearRock

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    Sane, depth is too important to be shipping people out. We cannot falter like last year.

    Juan, although it was Rudy who said it, I agree with you completely. Nachbar has nothing to do with Hawk, as far as I am concerned. I think Rudy wanted us to turn the corner before reducing the minutes of those guys. If we continue to dominate in the backcourt like we did and have an okay lead, then he will look to manage the time.
     
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    I don't know about you, but I wouldn't mind having a SF/PF who averaged 14 ppg and 7 rpg last year. You see what injuries have done to us so far, nothing beats insurance.
     
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    Excatly Rocks Milliunium. We need depth right now. People are already talking about how there is not enough playing time for everybody. Wait at least until the injured players come back and then let everyone stay healthy for a while and then we can see about playing time. And i do hope everyone does stay healthy.:cool:
     
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    I believe that in the long run, you'll see Hawkins as backup 2 primarily. Nachbar, TMo, and KT will be 3's with KT swinging between 3-4. They will wait out the contracts on Rice and Collier which are due up soon. So they'll most likely try and keep what they have now for the next several years.
     
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    I wished Tmo could've been healthy for the first few games. This would've been the perfect opportunity for him to prove himself with the injuries to Rice and KT.
     

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