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Chron:Rockets want Yao to have ball at right time and place

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Visagial, Mar 7, 2003.

  1. Visagial

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    Rockets want Yao to have ball at right time and place
    By JONATHAN FEIGEN
    Copyright 2003 Houston Chronicle
    Rudy Tomjanovich was talking about low-post play, answering questions for one of those death-of-the-big-man stories that occasionally come his way as Hakeem Olajuwon's former coach. Tomjanovich was deep into his beloved X's and O's, even positioning sportswriters around the court to make his point when he called Rockets guard Cuttino Mobley to attention.

    "Cuttino," Tomjanovich said to Mobley, who was minding his own business and whose business at the time was leaving, "remember all the time we used to spend working on our low-post offense? Remember how many hours we spent on that?"

    Mobley rolled his eyes and shot back a look of exasperation as if he had been asked to recall all the joys of root-canal surgery.

    "Those were some long practices, Coach," he said with a gallows-humor smile, as if unsure what Tomjanovich wanted him to say. But Tomjanovich looked satisfied.

    "There's so much that goes into it," Tomjanovich said. "So much."

    Months later, Steve Francis came back from the NBA draft lottery with the first pick. Five weeks later, the Rockets would take 7-5 center Yao Ming, and the painstaking work of building a low-post game would begin again.

    But by now, for all the Rockets' inconsistencies, all their struggles to find and define themselves, at least one thing is clear:

    "He's a big-time player. He's the man," Rockets forward Maurice Taylor said after Yao's late-game heroics in Toronto on Wednesday. "We got to get the ball to him. We got to let him go to work. And we've got to stick with him. He's the man."


    The irony of most good offenses is that when all the work comes together, they look easy and uncomplicated as if there was no work needed at all.

    "We spent so much time working to get Dream the ball in the right place," said Rockets general manager Carroll Dawson, then an assistant coach. "We're going through that right now with Yao Ming. You have to figure out how to get the ball where he wants it, and that's the hardest thing to do.

    "The biggest thing about defense in this league is not (waiting to) guard them once they get the ball. Not too many people can guard somebody in this league once they get the ball where they want it. So the defenses really work to keep the ball away from where you want it. The coaches are working constantly to get the ball in deeper to him. With his lower-body strength, he'll be able to get it pretty deep. It takes time, but it is working and it will keep getting better."

    To Olajuwon, basketball was at its roots simple. "You must get the ball to the big man," he would say without seeming the least bit self-conscious that he was the big man in question.

    "That's just basketball," he explained. "That's not me. That's the position."

    Then Olajuwon went to Toronto and a team that didn't get the ball to its big man and really couldn't. The Raptors would not spend those hours in practice working on a part of an offense that, when done well, seems simple. They had an offense built around Vince Carter and were not about to retool it for a center on his way to retirement.

    But the Raptors were like most teams. The hours spent working on a low-post offense were not worth the trouble. Rules had changed to make it more difficult. Only teams with the most dominant of big men -- roughly every team to include Shaquille O'Neal or Tim Duncan -- really would build their offense around them in the low post.

    "With the rules and the athletic ability of the big players, it's hard to get the ball in," Tomjanovich said. "Before, it was common practice. The guy goes down. You play behind him. They throw it in. You might double, you might not.

    "People don't play like that anymore. Guys have to go off the box. They're getting it five, 10 feet further out. You see guys really excel under that. At the end of Dream's career (in Houston), it was frustrating for him and the team. People we're fronting. Boy I'm telling you, it takes hours and hours and hours of work to be efficient with that. And that was with the old rules."

    But when you have a 7-5 center with graceful footwork and a delicate shooting touch, you find a way to get the ball to him where he wants it.

    Had they forgotten, however, the Rockets have been reminded it is not as simple as having Yao stand in the low block and call for the ball.

    "Teams don't want him to catch the ball down low," Mobley said. "It's a mismatch with everybody. When you see he's free, you try to deliver it as fast as possible. But sometimes it's hard. There's a lot of pulling, grabbing, holding.

    "Hakeem had that experience. This is (Yao's) first year. It's experience with each other, too. It's being patient with the guy with the ball and with Yao. It takes time, but it will come."

    The Rockets do not consider getting the ball to Yao in the low post a problem. But it is not the strength they expect it to become.

    The primary improvement they expect will be with Yao himself as he gets stronger and learns more about freeing himself from the variety of defensive tactics designed to stop him.

    Olajuwon could wait until just the right moment before taking a quick step to change his position on a defender and then use his sledgehammer hands and forearms to subtly lower a defender's reach. Charles Barkley would plant a defender behind him and use his strength to hold him off. O'Neal can bang or just lean with his enormous bulk until a defender is too off-balance.

    The Rockets expect Yao to get stronger. But even if he never matches Olajuwon's footwork and hands, Barkley's backside or O'Neal's bulk, he has his own strengths.

    "Shaq is just stronger than everybody else," Rockets assistant coach Larry Smith said. "Dream was ... so quick and strong he could get the ball pretty much wherever he wanted it. Charles could, too. He could even step off the blocks and go back there. (Kareem Abdul) Jabbar didn't have to get deep. With the skyhook, we couldn't get to it, anyway. He didn't have to bang people.

    "Dream was so strong for his size, but I think Yao will be more that way once he develops more upper-body strength. And once he gets a feel for everyone, he's going to adjust. He has to get used to being in there and getting a lot meaner. Right now I consider him a nice guy in the post. He's going to get tougher in the post.

    "As Yao gets older and stronger, he's going to be one of those guys because he's so big, and once he catches he's so effective."

    But while the Rockets work on Yao's talents for hand-to-hand, low-post combat, they also must work on getting him the ball. In many ways, the rule changes have made that more difficult than in Olajuwon's prime. More than ever, making the pass to the low post has become a matter of timing, rather than willingness.

    "That's part on him, part on the whole team," Tomjanovich said. "It takes a lot of work to find that split second when you're open. There's a subtlety to it. You wait until the ball is ready, then you just turn on him late."

    As with any other pass, teammates' feel for one another becomes crucial. The question is not just getting open in the low post, it is getting open at the time the pass can be delivered. And it is not enough to look for Yao inside. The Rockets must know when to look and to be in position to deliver the pass.

    "You can't just say my timing. The timing of the entire team is important," Yao said. "It's everybody's first year together. There are a lot of new things.

    "Of course, the closer to the basket the better. That's the biggest issue."

    That became obvious when Yao posted up in the closing minutes against the New York Knicks last week. Because he did not get the ball deep enough, Latrell Sprewell could sneak in defensively. And because of rule changes to eliminate most illegal defense rules, Sprewell did not have as far to go to poke the ball away from Yao's grasp.

    "What people overlook is how different the rules are," former Knicks coach Jeff Van Gundy said. "The rule changes make it difficult to post up effectively. It's much tougher. Yao off the dribble got stripped by Sprewell. That's a byproduct of him learning how to face double teams and the rules that have constricted his space.

    "The coordination of the post up, the pass, the catch and you're cutting game ... is much more complex than just get the ball to Yao on the left block. People forget because ... Yao because of his size will appear to be open. The pass is the hardest thing. If you have a team applying good ball pressure or is around (Yao) in front with good weakside help, the entry pass is tough.

    "With the new rules in the NBA, it's much more difficult to play the post-up game. But when I see him every game, he's a little bit better. That goes to his upbringing, his culture and his demeanor. He has enough humility to say, `I don't know everything. I can get better.' That's why he's going to be an absolute star. His combination of humility, humor and competitiveness, it's remarkable. I love the guy."


    By now, the book on defending Yao is clear. Though teams do many different things -- from the Celtics' triple teams to the Knicks' willingness to play behind him to the Heat's and Pistons' front and mug defense -- every team has learned to defend him as early as possible.

    "This guy is 7-foot-5," Washington Wizards coach Doug Collins said. "If he catches the ball in the lane -- he's so big, his footwork is so good, he turns and he's got a great shooting touch -- he'll just turn and shoot the basketball."

    But with cameras focused on him rolling constantly, the Rockets have been caught at times when Yao has looked open and did not get the ball. Early in the season especially, the Rockets often seemed to ignore the gold waiting to be mined.

    Lately, however, they insist the split seconds that Yao has seemed open and was not rewarded with a pass show how much more complicated getting the ball inside has become than a simple "go down there and call for the ball."

    "Who's totally covered out on the floor the whole time?" Dawson said. "Everybody is open sometimes, most of the time. You can take anybody on any team and point out when they're open and don't get the ball. Rudy and the coaching staff are trying to get him 30 touches a game, and they've been pretty successful.

    "But whether he gets the touches or not, he facilitates shots for other people like Dream did and Steve does because of what the defense does. You can take something away, but it's going to open something up."

    But in the end, after Yao has won his low-post battle, timed his move, teammates have gotten in position to deliver the pass when he can be ready to catch it and defenders have been forced to stay with their own man, perhaps then it still can be simple.

    The trick is getting to that moment.

    "Everybody's got to make a concerted effort," former Knicks center Patrick Ewing said. "But then, if a guy's open, you have to pass to him. Open is open. Simple."



    Finally, some coaching! Everyone on this board knows that dumping to Yao in the left block isn't the best play we're capable of.
     
  2. Free Agent

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    Here's my understatement of the year: Yao missing training camp really set this team back.
     
  3. Tango

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    Thanks for posting the article! Let's bring some sense to all the craziness that runs rampant on this board at times! Hope this article quells some of that for awhile :).
     
  4. cmellon

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    That is a possibility.
    Only time will tell. Next season we should expect an improvement, right?
     
  5. lancet

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    If it weren't for Cato's family death and missed games, Yao wouldn't even get into starting line-up and develope like this. You think Rockets would focus on giving Yao the ball at low-post in the training camp?
     
  6. scotia

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    great point, give u credit ;)
     
  7. MacBeth

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    Absolutely excellent article...thanks for posting it, Vis...I enjoyed reading that as much as any Rockets related article in a long time.
     
  8. Rockets-R-Us

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    Visagial -

    Thanks SO MUCH for bringing that to the board. That article is really an eye-opener for me. Not just because of its detail and nuance regarding the entry pass, but also because of all the different perspectives offered (Rudy, C.D., JVG, Collins and Ewing). Hearing from that many different big time pro's really adds credibility that I doubt few on this board can argue with.

    Heretofore, I will cease b****ing about Yao getting the ball!!

    (;) With the caveat being that we don't go back to Yao getting only 3 shots per game...;) )
     
  9. carayip

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    Well when Yao's on the bench, I didn't see the "motion offense" they're supposed to work on in the training camp. Did you see it?

    Also this article addressed the issue of getting the ball to Yao in the low post, but it didn't address why the guards didn't pass to him off pick and roll especially when he's obviously wide open.
     
  10. rockbox

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    For the last time, Rudy never said in was putting in a motion offense. Get over it. He called it a movement offense or five man offense where guys are supposed to cut while a the player with the ball tries to create. The media called it a motion offense because they heard movement and automatically assumed it was the same as motion.
     
  11. alex_huynh

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    Carayip, the whole article was about getting the ball to Yao whether it's in the post or off the PNR or whatever. It was emphasized and reiterated throughout the article about the key aspect of getting the ball to Yao - TIMING. Timing is not just from Yao but from whomever is delivering the pass. If Yao rolls to the basket and is wide open doesn't mean the other person is ready and in the position to make the pass. Yao pointed that out in his quote and so did Mobley.

    Food for thought: Isn't it a coincidence that this article appears at this juncture amidst all the complaints from the fans to the media about not getting Yao the ball, especially when he is wide open :)
     
  12. daoshi

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    It's so strange to use Ewing's quote to end the article.

    I thought what Pat meant was "It's no Rockets science. Just pass the damn ball when the man is open".
     
  13. Texas Stoke

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    Yao is wide open on the pick n' roll time after time but the guards dont look his way. I agree that you got to be quick and decisive, but you cant do that when your dribbling with your head down. Like Patrick Ewing said if your open, your open, pass the ball. its that simple. Just cause its not a set play in the post, or the way it was designed for Yao to get one of his required touches, does NOT mean you DONT pass to a wide open Yao on the pick n' roll. 30 touches? that seems kinda silly, just play the game unselfishly and make good decisions. If Yao's open 31 times pass it to him 31 times. If Yao has a mismatch pass it to him. I dont really like this whole touches idea, it seems limiting and uncreative.

    you know what, forget touches, just play the revolutionary center when it counts instead of sitting him on the bench for almost the entire fourth quarter.

    Im sure I dont know really know what I'm talking about but it was good to get that off my chest anyways.

    other than that, I like the way things are looking for this team.

    : P
     
  14. Texas Stoke

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    So which assistant coach is the official touch counter guy? does each starter have his own personal touch counter dude that counts isos...err..touches. And dummy me always thought that was like a stop watch thing in their hands, but it probably was a touch counter watch. I bet Mobleys official touch counter guys finger cramps up from all that damn ISO tabbing. ;)
     
  15. carayip

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    Read the article again. The timing thing is mainly mentioned about the timing of entry pass in the set play to get Yao the ball in the low block.

    And about the PNR thing. It should be unrelated to the Yao touches. You don't have to pass the ball to Yao off PNR every time. If he's covered, don't pass. If he's open, pass. It doesn't neccessarily apply to only Yao as well, in fact it applies to everyone. It seems that our guards could only use the pick to get themselves open for a jumper or a drive. They don't read the situation and adjust at all.

    And I agree with Texas Stoke. The whole touches thing is kinda silly. If a player's open or has a mismatch or gets really hot, you go to him every time. It's called in game adjustment. A player shouldn't just get a certain amount of touches because it's the amount designed for him before the game.
     
  16. Possum

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    Don't you think you have been A LITTLE HARD ON Rudy now? :cool:
     
  17. Juugie

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    As for the pick and roll. Other teams aren't stupid. They don't want Yao to get a layup or an open jumper. So 90 percent of the time when Yao is wide open after a pick is because his man has moved over to trap the guard hard. Now when you are 6'3 and you have two men surrounding you one of which is 7 feet it's kind of hard to see the whole floor and at the same time keep the ball from being stripped. So basically you either have to throw a blind pass in Yao's direction and hope he gets it (not very high percentage) or swing the ball to the other side.

    So instead of just watching Yao and screaming everytime you see him without a man around him, watch the whole team game.
     
  18. ArtV

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    It seems like a person plays x minutes at y time and is given z touches - every game. With so many different teams, is that wise?
     
  19. DearRock

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    Cara, please take the PNR thing very seriously because it just happens to be the easiest play in bball and of all the top flight pg's SF is probably the worst at it. I say so because he almost deliberately does not run it properly. There is a high % of the times where passing is the thing to do and he does not do it. Have you seen Parker run that thing? He is almost as good as Stockton. SF is nowhere in that league at all. You could add a point and half to everybody's scroring average if SF would just squeeze all the juice out of that play; and it starts with really rubbing his man off the pick. If he is double teamed the ball should be out of his hands, simple. Instead he holds the ball. To me we have too many capable scorers, one of which, at least, is wide open, for him to keep the ball. If he passes the ball with 15 secs left then he may even get is back; otherwise you are passing on an opportunity to make the defense pay.
     
  20. JeffB

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    I've noticed that hard trap, too. But it only works because: 1) the guards are using purposeless dribbles (crossing over for no reason) and often miss the window of opportunity to make the pass because they are in the middle of a dribble that takes longer to complete (or their head is down); 2) the guard being trap doesn't immediately pass the ball to someone else who can in turn "keep it hopping." The defense is already out of position because of the trap. The pass would expose and exploit this. Our ball handlers have to realize that you don't beat the trap with the dribble but the pass.

    DearRock, good point about rubbing your man off. The second part of that play (after setting a hard pick) is using the pick properly. And our handlers don't do that well at all, which makes it easier to trap and defend the passing lane.

    Anyway, that was a great article. Its a good look at how the pros (the people who really know what they are talking about) are viewing the Rockets problems.
     

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