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[CHRON] Kentucky school expels student who said he's gay

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by oomp, Apr 12, 2006.

  1. oomp

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    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/3788068.html

    April 11, 2006, 9:31PM
    Kentucky school expels student who said he's gay


    By JAMIE GUMBRECHT
    Knight Ridder Tribune News

    LEXINGTON, KY. - The news that his boyfriend, Jason Johnson, was expelled from University of the Cumberlands was sinking in when Zac Dreyer started to spread the word.

    "He is being asked to leave the university because he is gay," Dreyer wrote Thursday on the Web site MySpace.com, the site school officials used to confront Johnson.

    Johnson, a sophomore, was expelled from the university Thursday because he declared online that he is gay. In a statement released last week, the university's president, Jim Taylor, said students are held to a "higher standard" and that "students know the rules before they come to this institution."

    The 2005-06 student handbook says: "Any student who engages in or promotes sexual behavior not consistent with Christian principles (including sex outside marriage and homosexuality) may be suspended or asked to withdraw." A copy of the handbook provided by the university confirmed the policy was not spelled out in 2003-04, when Johnson chose to attend.

    After Dreyer's Web post on Thursday, students' blogs showed mixed reactions.

    Renee Kuder, a University of the Cumberlands senior, says some students are publicly questioning the school's values. "They're being hypocritical, by Christian standards," she said. "If we love each other, accept each other for who we are, why are they kicking him out?"

    Johnson said he hopes students' "faith is renewed because people are standing up for what they believe in."


    My thoughts exactly. I went to a very conservative small college where Jesus was hip and non-christians weren't. A very good freind of mine was a sermon leader until it was "uncovered" that he was gay. They removed him from one of the only things he loved the very next day and he quit school soon after after having recieved threats. This makes me sick.
     
  2. rrj_gamz

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    I heard about this yesterday...In looking above, that would rule out all universities and high schools, but this isn't the issue...They have rules and well, it is one...I empathize with the guy, and honestly, I'm sure sex outside of marriage and homosexuality occur, its just he got caught...I'm sure he'll get a lawyer and fight it, as I probably would to ensure equality...
     
  3. Batman Jones

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    American schools also had rules barring blacks until fairly recently, as you know. It was a great day when those rules went by the wayside and the same will be true of the day when schools are no longer allowed by law to practice this sort of discrimination.
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    Any law that is unjust is no law at all.

    I think that sentiment by MLK would apply to this school's rules.
     
  5. Smokey

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    Oral Roberts doesn't admit gay and fat students (fitness test). Until the 80's or whenever the ADA passed, they didn't admit handicapped students. I am not sure if they admit non-Evangelical Christians.

    They're a private school so unless the group is a protected class (minorities etc.) they're not breaking any laws.
     
  6. Batman Jones

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    And there's the rub. Gays and lesbians should be a protected class.
     
  7. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    If there enrollment drops enough then they will change their policies. As a private institution they should have the right to exclude whoever they choose.
     
  8. Dairy Ashford

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    A private institution providing a commercial service, university education, which is becoming an ever-increasing necessity for a middle-class standard of living, and will be in higher-and-higher demand. How tempting would it be for other Evangelical universities to adopt this policy, via student government initiative, or some other standard? What percentage of colleges, in the South and Midwest, are evangelical? 60% of high school graduates are now enrolling in colleges, is this type of policy a selling point for tuition paying parents? (Sadly, it probably would be for me. If they're this strict about nonsense like sexual orientation, then they're probably strict about drugs, alcohol, academic and personal discipline, and it'd be hard for me to tell my hypothetical kid to not go.) Is professing one's aversion to gays, or denying/downplaying one's acceptance thereof, a requirement for being a Christian institution, or being a Christian spokesperson? Maybe, to the extent that Evangelical Christians feel persecuted and unpopular, taking an "extreme" and defiant stance against gay acceptance is public reinforcement, symbolically, of one's Christianity.

    My guess is these policies ain't goin' nowhere.
     
  9. oomp

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    As a private institutution with such policies, they should be ok with their public funding being reduced.

    http://www.wkyt.com/Global/story.asp?S=4762673&nav=4CAL

    Gay rights group asks that funds for Baptist university be vetoed

    FRANKFORT, Ky. A gay rights group has asked Kentucky's governor to veto state funding for a private Baptist university.

    They say a student was expelled from the school for being gay.

    The Kentucky Fairness Alliance asked Governor Ernie Fletcher to veto 11 (m) million dollars that state lawmakers approved earlier this week for the private University of the Cumberlands. The money is for building a pharmacy school and scholarships.

    Gay rights advocates delivered a binder to Fletcher's office today with letters and e-mails supporting the request. They say the student, Jason Johnson, was discriminated against. He claims he was expelled after posting on an Internet site.

    The college in Williamsburg has a policy against homosexuality. A university spokesman did not return a call seeking comment.
     
  10. Deckard

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    Someday, history students will read about this kind of bigotry, shake their heads, and wonder how our society could tolerate it. They'll find it as alien as most of you view, "Whites Only," signs on public bathrooms, and Blacks sitting in the back of the bus... things I witnessed as a kid growing up in Houston during the '50's. They'll yawn, and wonder why they have to study such "ancient history," when it was never something they saw or experienced growing up.

    I wish that would hurry up and happen. It will.



    Keep D&D Civil.
     
  11. Dairy Ashford

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    A Southern Republican Governor defending gay rights? Yeah, when Kentucky freezes over. Or conservatives fly.
     
  12. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    I have no problem with that, and in fact would encourage it.
     
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    The treatment of our black brothers is an outrages national shame which should never be treated again. i myself am not black, but to look at some and define by skin is nothing short of horrendus. people should allways look at the person and there deeds and not there clour.
     
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    Insightful, as usual.


    (Hey Deckard, care to share your insights at my place for the draft? I'll be having a few Rocks fans over...it ain't a long drive. :) )
     
  15. finalsbound

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    Same basic thing happened at Baylor - the largest Baptist university in the world.

    http://www.gay.com/news/article.html?2005/07/19/6

    They took away a seminary student's scholarship away simply because he was gay. And everyone knows 90% of us Baylor students are only here because of lucrative scholarships.

    According to Baylor's student handbook, the punishment for any misconduct -- including homosexuality, drinking alcohol and engaging in premarital sex -- carries a maximum penalty of expulsion. Bass said the administrators initially told him he could keep his scholarship if he would agree to be admitted to counseling, but he refused.

    Counseling? I swear, this school...
     
  16. Two Sandwiches

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    I feel bad for the guy, but here comes the Gay and Lesbian clubs of America with full rides to whatever college the guy wants to go to.


    In the end, victory will be his, and he'll be laughing at that petty little school.
     
  17. Two Sandwiches

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    So, basically, 95% of the school is just waiting to get caught? ;)
     
  18. finalsbound

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    We're a sneaky people. :)
     
  19. wouldabeen23

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    Then you are being honest and fair--bravo. Conversly, I am sure that you would also support a private school that expells a person simply for declaring that they are Christian.(I'm not being sarcastic, btw)
     
  20. oomp

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    Same way at the school I went to. Friday and Saturday: Drinking and debauchery ruled. Sunday: Better have that ass in the pew. Hypocrites.

    The funny thing was that the students who were the wildest and for the most part GUG (Gay Until Graduation) were PKs.
     

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