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[Chron] Bagwell / HoF article

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by kaleidosky, Jul 27, 2009.

  1. kaleidosky

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  2. juicystream

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    Would have been nice to ask him what he thought of some of the minor leaguers rather than just asking about what he tells the players stuck behind the current OF. Always nice to read about Bags or Biggio. I grew up idolizing those guys.
     
  3. desihooper

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    I never knew that the great Rudy Jaramillo was the Astros hitting coach. The guy has helped many a player with their hitting up here in North Texas. How'd we let that guy go? Was it a two-for-one with Nolan?

    Shudder to think what he could've done with Hidaldo and Ensberg when they went through their struggles?!?
     
  4. msn

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    Didn't Rudy have his shot with Hidalgo?
     
  5. hjg877

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    A perfect opportunity to post a comment about an article I came across a few months ago.

    In the publication Metro, there was a brief feature discussing A-rod and steroids (dated February 20-22, 2009...page 22).

    At the bottom was a section titled, Team game: Baseball's most 'roided teams

    Oakland, the Yankees, and Texas were discussed in brief paragraphs, as was Houston.

    This was what was written about Houston:

    ASTROS. The obvious two that stick out down in Houston are Andy Pettitte and Roger Clemens, who reached the World Series in 2005. The two fireballers ranked first and second in ERA that season. Add Jeff Bagwell to the list of likely abusers for the 'Stros as well.

    This was written by [wannabe] sportswriter Sean Quinn (sean.quinn@metro.us).

    Crap reporting.
     
  6. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    The bad thing about that article is neither Clemens nor Pettitte have been accused (or admitted to) using steroids while with Houston. Based on that, why didn't he include Tejada and Caminiti (rhetorical question).

    Also, I never understand why folks use 'Stros. Considering the ' is only replacing one letter, it's just as easy to spell out Astros.
     
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    Pettitte was a fireballer? For that matter, 05 Clemens wasn't exactly a mid-high 90s guy, either.
     
  8. juicystream

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    Perhaps they are they don't like the word ass, which you can hear in Astros?
     
  9. msn

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    Been looking for this information since the most recent idiotic blowup about Bagwell and steroids, how they always say "he hit only 6 HR in the minor leagues." Well, their site had been down for quite a while, but www.hartfordhawks.com is now up again.

    From Bagwell's Hartford Hawks Hall-of-Fame page:
    • Left the University ranked among the program's top five career leaders in nine categories, including the top spot in home runs (31), runs batted in (126), batting average (.413), slugging percentage (.733) and total bases (293).
    • Left University as the all-time New England leader in batting average and slugging percentage.

    So, while 31 dongs in 3 seasons ain't exactly Ruthian, it's a more than a little silly to pretend that Bagwell suddenly became a power hitter in 1991.
     
  10. hjg877

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    Well keep in mind he did change batting stances when he got to the Astros organization. That had just as much to do with his power than his steroids.

    (I'm kidding about the steroids)
     
  11. T-Slack

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    Speaking about steroids, I found a list of the 103 players "rumored" to have juiced up in 2003. If its been posted, then sorry, but I didn't see it anywhere.
    But I'm not going to lie. I was looking for Bagwell's name and Biggio.
    And I was surprised when I saw Nomar's and Lima's

    1.Nomar Garciaparra
    2.Manny Ramirez (Confirmed NY Times)
    3.Johnny Damon
    4.Trot Nixon
    5.David Ortiz (Confirmed NY Times)
    6.Shea Hillenbrand
    7.Derek Lowe
    8.Pedro Martinez
    9.Brian Roberts
    10.Jay Gibbons
    11.Melvin Mora
    12.Jerry Hairston
    13.Jason Giambi
    14.Alfonso Soriano
    15.Raul Mondesi
    16. Aaron Boone
    17.Andy Pettitte
    18.Jose Contreras
    19.Roger Clemens
    20.Carlos Delgado
    21.Vernon Wells
    22.Frank Catalanotto
    23.Kenny Rogers
    24.Magglio Ordonez
    25.Sandy Alomar
    26.Bartolo Colon
    27.Brent Abernathy
    28.Jose Lima
    29.Milton Bradley
    30.Casey Blake
    31.Danys Baez
    32.Craig Monroe
    33.Dmitri Young
    34.Alex Sanchez
    35.Eric Chavez
    36.Miguel Tejada
    37.Eric Byrnes
    38.Jose Guillen
    39.Keith Foulke
    40.Ricardo Rincon
    41.Bret Boone
    42.Mike Cameron
    43.Randy Winn
    44.Ryan Franklin
    45.Freddy Garcia
    46.Rafael Soriano
    47.Scott Spiezio
    48.Troy Glaus
    49.Francisco Rodriguez
    50.Ben Weber
    51.Alex Rodriguez (Confirmed Selena Roberts)
    52.Juan Gonzalez
    53.Rafael Palmeiro
    54.Carl Everett
    55.Javy Lopez
    56.Gary Sheffield
    57.Mike Hampton
    58.Ivan Rodriguez
    59.Derrek Lee
    60.Bobby Abreu
    61.Terry Adams
    62.Fernando Tatis
    63.Livan Hernandez
    64.Hector Almonte
    65.Tony Armas
    66.Dan Smith
    67.Roberto Alomar
    68.Cliff Floyd
    69.Roger Cedeno
    70.Jeromy Burnitz
    71.Moises Alou
    72.Sammy Sosa (Confirmed NY Times)
    73.Corey Patterson
    74.Carlos Zambrano
    75.Mark Prior
    76.Kerry Wood
    77.Matt Clement
    78.Antonio Alfonseca
    79.Juan Cruz
    80.Aramis Ramirez
    81.Craig Wilson
    82.Kris Benson
    83.Richie Sexson
    84.Geoff Jenkins
    85.Valerio de los Santos
    86.Benito Santiago
    87.Rich Aurilia
    88.Barry Bonds
    89.Andres Galarraga
    90.Jason Schmidt
    91.Felix Rodriguez
    92.Jason Christiansen
    93.Matt Herges
    94.Paul Lo Duca
    95.Shawn Green
    96.Oliver Perez
    97.Adrian Beltre
    98.Eric Gagne
    99.Guillermo Mota
    100.Luis Gonzalez
    101.Todd Helton
    102.Ryan Klesko
    103.Gary Matthews
     
  12. Rocket86

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    Wow, thats enough steroids to fill a pool. :eek:
     

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