[Chris Rock is Wrong] Poor to Get Cookie for Doing What They Supposed to Do

hotballa · Jun 19, 2007

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,284275,00.html

You know the worst thing about n*****? N***** always want some credit for some **** they supposed to do. For some **** they just supposed to do: A n**** will brag about some sh*t a normal man just does. A n**** will say some sh*t like, "I take care of my kids."

You're supposed to, you dumb mothaf*cka. What are you talkin' about? What are you braggin' about? What kind of ignorant sh*t is that?

"I ain't never been to jail."
What do you want, a cookie?
You're not supposed to go to jail you low expectation having mothaf*cka.

Experiment to Pay NYC Poor for Good Behavior

NEW YORK — Poor residents will be rewarded for good behavior — like $300 for doing well on school tests, $150 for holding a job and $200 for visiting the doctor — under an experimental anti-poverty program that city officials detailed Monday.

The rewards have been used in other countries, including Brazil and Mexico, and have drawn widespread praise for changing behavior among the poor. Mayor Michael Bloomberg traveled to Mexico this spring to study the healthy lifestyle payments, also known as conditional cash transfers.

In New York, the two-year pilot program with about 14,000 participants will use private funds Bloomberg has raised because he did not want to spend government money on something that is highly experimental. More than $43 million has been raised toward the $53 million goal, Deputy Mayor Linda Gibbs said.

The theory behind cash rewards is that poor people are trapped in a cycle of repeated setbacks that keep them from climbing out of poverty. A person who doesn't keep up with his vaccinations and doctor's visits, for example, may get sick more often and struggle to stay employed.

Bloomberg, a billionaire Republican, said he believes paying people in such circumstances to make good decisions could help break those patterns. The program "gives New Yorkers in poverty a financial incentive to look ahead and make decisions that will improve their prospects for the future," he said in a statement.

But some critics have raised questions about cash reward programs, saying they promote the misguided idea that poor people could be successful if they just made better choices.

"It just reinforces the impression that if everybody would just work hard enough and change their personal behavior we could solve poverty in this country, and that's not reflected in the facts," said Margy Waller, co-founder of Inclusion, a research and policy group in Washington.

Waller, who served as a domestic policy adviser in the Clinton administration, said it would be more effective to focus on labor issues, such as making sure wage laws are enforced and improving benefits for working people.

Among the possible rewards in New York's program are $25 for attending parent-teacher conferences, $25 per month for a child who maintains a 95 percent school attendance record, $400 for graduating high school, $100 for each family member who sees the dentist every six months and $150 a month for adults who work full time.

The World Bank model for cash reward programs in other countries is that the value of the incentive should equal about a third of a household's income to have any lasting influence on changing behavior. The average amount that a family or adult can earn through the rewards each year is about $3,000 to $6,000; a family of three living in poverty earns about $17,000 a year.

Recipients, who are being selected this summer before the program begins in the fall, will be able to have the money deposited directly into their bank accounts. If they don't have accounts, they can get cards that are like debit cards but cannot be overdrawn.

The city is asking the federal government to excuse the payments from being taxed. Participants will be divided into three smaller programs that have different criteria and awards: one for about 2,550 families, one for 2,400 single adults and another for 9,000 children in grades 4 to 7.

To measure the effectiveness of the rewards, control groups of similar size will not be paid but will be studied by participating in regular surveys and reviews from an outside social policy research group, Gibbs said. The control participants will receive small incentives, such as weekly MetroCards for paying bus and subway fares, for their time and trouble.
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DonkeyMagic · Jun 19, 2007

i cant get past those racist words that have such negative and hurtful meanings

but he's right

DaDakota · Jun 19, 2007

What? Incetivization works?

NO WAY !!

DD

Smokey · Jun 19, 2007

A ***** will rob you then come over the next day and say "I heard ya got robbed".

I love Chris Rock.

Achilleus · Jun 19, 2007

Smokey said:

A ***** will rob you then come over the next day and say "I heard ya got robbed".

I love Chris Rock.
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Hehehehe... Chris Rock is craaazeee. Hehehehe....

The_Yoyo · Jun 19, 2007

my favorite chris rock bit is the rap music and the girls in the club off of never scared. never scared wasnt his best routine but that one bit is pure gold.

Smack em with a d*** Smack em with a d***!

Cesar^Geronimo · Jun 19, 2007

In many inner city families (not all -- I know some who are struggling to be responsible and do the best they can) and neighborhoods there is no expectation to do any better -- no real incentive.

I grew up in a working class (probably considered lower middle class) neighborhood. But the families / neighbors expected everyone to work, expected teens to not get pregnant / expected people to take personal responsibility. The society expected you to get a job and support your family and you were looked down upon if you didn't.

The same is not true in many urban neighborhoods -- kids are taught (by example) at a young age that having kids out of wedlock isn't a big deal, young boys are shown that Father's don't really have to hang around - and usually didn't and they are shown how to play the system.

The easiest route for them to take is to fall back into the same cycle.

DonkeyMagic · Jun 19, 2007

why cant i get paid for good behaviour?

Invisible Fan · Jun 19, 2007

NYC Republicans have the zaniest ideas....

It's worth a shot. Much better than receiving welfare checks regardless of performance or effort.

hotballa · Jun 19, 2007

Invisible Fan said:

NYC Republicans have the zaniest ideas....

It's worth a shot. Much better than receiving welfare checks regardless of performance or effort.
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bloombergs a republican in name only. he was a lifelong democrat before changing parties to run as a republican.

Nolen · Jun 19, 2007

He is paying for it out of his own pocket? I am very impressed.

I have some inner philosophical quandry for rewarding people for doing something they should anyway. But if the program works, great. We need to innovate to find ways to stop cycles of poverty. And NYC doesn't spend any of it's own money for trying.

Good point from Invisible Fan saying it's better than just handing out welfare checks.

rocketlaunch · Jun 19, 2007

The_Yoyo said:

my favorite chris rock bit is the rap music and the girls in the club off of never scared. never scared wasnt his best routine but that one bit is pure gold.

Smack em with a d*** Smack em with a d***!
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Rocketman95 · Jun 19, 2007

I find it hilarious that the thread starter would use words like that in his post.

DonkeyMagic · Jun 19, 2007

^ i too find it odd. but i dont ming because he wasnt trying to be hurtful. it was a joke. But from what i remember he was only against white people using it

hotballa · Jun 19, 2007

Rocketman95 said:

I find it hilarious that the thread starter would use words like that in his post.
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It is quoted from Chris Rock's standup act from Bring the Pain, hence the reference to Chris Rock in the thread title. Most people would have recognized that right away, but it is a 10 year old show, so I shouldn't be surprised if there are some who don't know it.

rocketlaunch · Jun 19, 2007

hotballa said:

It is quoted from Chris Rock's standup act from Bring the Pain, hence the reference to Chris Rock in the thread title. Most people would have recognized that right away, but it is a 10 year old show, so I shouldn't be surprised if there are some who don't know it.
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The Real Shady · Jun 19, 2007

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Rocketman95 · Jun 19, 2007

hotballa said:

It is quoted from Chris Rock's standup act from Bring the Pain, hence the reference to Chris Rock in the thread title. Most people would have recognized that right away, but it is a 10 year old show, so I shouldn't be surprised if there are some who don't know it.
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I know where it's from. Still doesn't make it any less interesting that someone who seems to be as sensitive as you would use it.

hotballa · Jun 19, 2007

Rocketman95 said:

I know where it's from. Still doesn't make it any less interesting that someone who seems to be as sensitive as you would use it.
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I have a problem with non-black comedians using the word as part of their standup routine for a couple of cheap laughs.

The Real Shady · Jun 19, 2007

hotballa said:

I have a problem with non-black comedians using the word as part of their standup routine for a couple of cheap laughs.
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When non-black comedians use the n*** word it usually doesn't go over so well. Ask Michael Richards.

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