Chinese Basketball Association Lightens Up!! Bateer to play in SA Summer League

wrong forum.

 

This CBA has no hold on Yao Ming, anymore. They've been paid off and have released him to the NBA.

The only ties in China to Yao Ming are just like every other international player in the NBA; that is, his National Team is completely allowed to call Yao back for FIBA sanctioned events....and Yao wants to play for the National Team, so all that is mute.

As far as the CBA having any control over Bateer. I don't know because I don't follow Bateer, but the same thing should apply. FIBA disallows a player from having two licenses to play in a FIBA sanctioned "federation" at the same time. So, when he is in the NBA, CBA cannot call him back without his NBA team releases. Technically, their could be an agreement where Bateer is supposed to be released by the NBA franchise he signs with every time he becomes an free agent; then the CBA team would regain control.

That is not the case with Yao. We have him for the duration of his rookie scale, for sure....except for the National Team calling him back.

 

thanks for the clarification.

 

But I think there was a mutual agreement that Yao has commitment to the Chinese national team, which is not CBA. But in China, they are probably two offices run by same group of people.
What is interesting is Bateer is also on the Chinese national team, I wonder why they let him stay here this summer when they are preparing for the Asia tournament. Maybe in the future, they can cut Yao some slack too. That will be good.

 

that what I said. that applies for every basketball player playing for any FIBA "federation." The NBA and the CBA are both leagues that are overseen by FIBA. The player can only have an FIBA license to play for one "federation" at a time. The National Teams are different. Every National Team in the world that participates in FIBE sanctioned events like the Olympics, Regional Games, World Championships, etc can call back their players independent of what pro league that are signed with. Any extra agreement we have with the National Team concerns the amount of days Yao has to pratice with his National Team, for a given event, beyond the FIBA required amount of practice days.

It is just like soccer and FIFA allowing Brazil to call back their players for international events. It's really no different.

There is this idea that CBA might be different...that's not the case. They are no different in making a player in another league play for them than the Euroleague has in making Nowitzki come home to the German leagues. Likewise, the NBA cannot just make Tyus Edney (for lack of a better US-born, Euro player) come back to the NBA team who last had rights to him.

 

wrt this quote, Yao Ming has never expressed any desire to try to avoid playing for the National Team any time they asked. Bateer has. I don't think anything has anything to do with Yao asking "for some slack, too" as you point it.

Like I say, I don't follow Bateer. But the article addressed says nothing about the National Team. They only mention CBA, so I'm not sure what the connection you are trying to make.

One fact I know is that the National Team told Bateer that they have dropped him for not playing last summer. I took that as meaning that Bateer will never be invited to play for the National Team, again, and that Bateer took a lot of heat for that from is countrymen, last summer.

Isn't that the way it happened?

 

C'mon, let's face it. The reason they didn't call Bateer back is because China doesn't need him to steamroll competition to go to the Olympics. If Korea or Japan is like better @ basketball, both will be called back. They called Yao back so they can sell more tickets.

 

I think it was Wang that was not allowed to play last season for not coming to China when asked upon.

I actually wouldn't mind Bateer on the Rox. He's an improvement over Collier. Wait, my Boxer would be an improvement over Collier.

 

I think you are correct..I believe it was Wang that pissed off the officials over there.

They wont release Yao from NT duty cause they need him, they don't need Bateer.

Hell, the Sperms didnt need him either...

 

so much for me saying I know nothing about Bateer, then spouting off a "fact" attributed to Wang. lol

anyhow, the article still says nothing about the National Team, just the league play. The CBA is not the National Team, from a FIBA standpoint...but maybe the CBA officials do dual work (which didn't appear to be the case last year), and so it gets mentioned as CBA, when it really is the NT.

If Bateer is a free agent, imo, that's the most plausible reason why the CBA spoke here. There could be some agreement to allow Bateer to play in the NBA whereby the CBA gets his license back each time he becomes a free agent.

anyhoot, still don't see a connection with Yao Ming, here.

 

That was not Bateer they dropped. The guy was Wang ZhiZhi who is playing for Clippers. Bateer played for the Chinese national team in the Asian Olympic last summer. You are mixing these two up.

 

Screw that article, the reporter didn't know anything. This has little to do with CBA. As I said, CBA and national team are probably run by same people. But if you insiste, just replace CBA with "Chinese national team" in that article and it makes a lot more sense.

Let me point out the connection again: the three Chinese playing in NBA, Yao, Bateer and Wang all were in Chinese national team. When each of them entered NBA, the chinese national team required written agreements from the NBA team they are going. The agreement is that the national team can call back these three players for importnant international games.

Last summer, Wang broke the promise and hide away from Mavs, didn't go back China to play in Korea. Mavs didn't extend Wang's contract, probably because they wanted to clear themselves from the mess and secure future right to draft chinese players.

So you see, chinese national team does view it their right to use their players in summers. This summer, they are going to play an Asian tournament and I expected them to call back all three Chinese in NBA. Mabye because Bateer became a free agent and he needs to play in the summer league to get a contract somewhere for next year, for the future of Bateer and for the long term interest of the Chinese national team, they decided to let him stay here. So they do want their players to get better in NBA. That means, at some point down the road, if it is clear that staying in US during summers is crucial for Yao's development, they will cut him some slack. After all, the more successful Yao becomes, the more money they get and the better chance they become a contender during 2008 Beijing Olympic.

Is this connection clear?

 

who am I talking, too? You seem like one of the guys that seems to cry wolf that China is led by one big central govt and Yao Ming is high on their controlling agenda.

Don't overstate it. Last summer proved that they played by very standard FIBA rules and rules of the NBA. All they wanted was big compensation, and they got a lot, but not everything they thought they could get. Yao was more an asset for the CBA/Sharks to use to extract maximum compensation, not much different than what ManU did with Beckham. In the end, everyone played by the rules. Where has that not been proven?

show me.

Let me explain something again to you. <b>From the Rockets perspective, National Teams of every FIBA country require no written agreements to call back players</b>. The written agreements with the NT happened, but they were more a formality, since we weren't signing anything that FIBA didn't already impose on us. FIBA requires the Houston Rockets to release Yao Ming for international events, just like anything other player.

<b>Negotiations were mostly about compensation for the CBA/Sharks</b>

The NT was not the road block negotiations. What you are just glossing over (or missing) is the buyout that the Sharks and the CBA were looking for and all the preseason games in China, training, (they even asks for players in compensation) and they thought they could stonewall Sterns on TV rights.

All that was well within their rights to get or attempt to get, but the promise to the NT was never an issue...from early on according to our GM and General Counsel.

This could be true that the CBA and NT are closer now, but that is not what anyone said at all last summer during the Yao talks. You will have to show me this. It is more likely that the writer is wrong (which you agree with) or this is about Bateer being a free agent. Last summer, I supplied dozens of dozens of descriptions of the CBA and the head officer (his bio, his previous job, he boss, etc), and there are several quotes last summer that they are not the same, at all. We had to negotiate with each independently. Don't you recall that the Sharks had to let him go first; then the CBA; and the NT had to give a sign off, and we agreed to release him with the NT very early (before we picked Yao, in fact).

imo, your "connection" that the CBA is the NT is quite a leap.

cannon, show me the connection, in writing, not conjecture, and there are a plethora of quotes from last summer to look through. The NT speaking through the CBA is just not necessary. And I don't recall ever seeing the head of the CBA bash Wang much less direct agreements on behave of the NT's interests. Those quotes were from people outside of the CBA, as I recall.

Do you see you made no connection? You said the writer is probably wrong, and then merely guessed that the CBA and NT are the same.

 

meant to respond to this quote, too.

it *IS* their right. FIBA mandates it, and all NBA teams must follow it. And *every* NBA team does follow it. Every Soccor team in FIFA follows it.

There is nothing big here, regarding the NT calling back Yao Ming...only thing big would be if the CBA or Sharks tried to call him back. This is the rules governing league play in combination with the sanctity of allowing players to partake in international events for their home country. Without these rules, Mark Cuban would have tried to force Nowitzki and Nash to stay home last Summer like Kobe and Shaq did. As it was, he forced Germany's NT to take out more insurance on Nowitzki.

 

Even all they want is the maxium compensition, it is still their best interest to let Yao get the best in NBA, because that way Yao will get the max contract and endorsement. The more Yao get, the more goes back to their pocket. This is a dynamic multiple stage game, doesn't make sense to give up the dollar tomorrow for a penny today.

Sports are government sponsored in China, just like USSR in the old days. CBA is just an experiment of professional club system. But all is governed by something like a Department of Sports and Education, so I was told.

the connection I was talking about is it seems the NT is willing to sacrifice short-term performance on a tournament or two in exchange for long-term development of their player, which affect the long-term interest of chinese side, both financial wise and BB wise.

 

they could but they didn't call back Bateer. He is one element of the so called "great wall". That is a surprise. I do see them do the same thing for Yao in the future. At least some possibility.