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China Question: What Form of Government Do They Have?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Cohete Rojo, Dec 23, 2016.

  1. Cohete Rojo

    Cohete Rojo Member

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    They:
    • Claim to be communist but abolished most of their communist ideology under Deng Xiaoping.
    • Hold no national public elections (there are no videos of Chinese people voting). So they cannot be considered democratic.
    • Have a politburo-elected leader.
    • Have a current leader who is a "core" leader (what is that?).
    • Prop-up a murderous tyrannical dictator who routinely threatens the US and its allies with nuclear weapons.
    • Illegally claim the entire South China Sea as their own (ignoring international court rulings).
    • Have been said to illegally occupy Tibet (Free Tibet).
    • Have been said to threaten The Republic of China (does this "nation" even exist?).
    • Lock up otherwise peaceful people (Falun Gong) and supposedly harvest their organs.
    What is a "core" leader? Do the "states" within China have power? Are there high-levels of corruption? Do we, the United States, want to associate ourselves with this kind of government?

    For that matter, what is China: is it the People's Republic of China, or is it The Republic of China?
     
  2. Deckard

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    It's the People's Republic of China, or the PRC. The country is an oligarchy run by a small group of powerful people, largely men, who are supported by around 88 million party members in a nation of 1.3 billion. Capitalism is widespread now, but kept on a tight leash by the leadership. My opinion, of course. You must know this stuff. Why the question?
     
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  3. WNBA

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    Propaganda truly is the best way to screen people from sense.
     
  4. ymc

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    Let me add a bit more to describe some characteristics of PRC:
    1) Tax collected is distributed between the Central Government and Provincial Government in the ratio of 7:3 since 1994. This makes the Central Government the richest in the world. This explains PRC has plenty of $$$ to develop military toys, building infrastructure and providing aids to Third World countries. Provincial Government is poor but was funded by selling lands to developers to maintain a basic level of public education and public healthcare. However, a steep drop in asset prices can turn many provincial governemnt into bankruptcy.
    2) There is a hidden Value Added Tax of at least 17% to all goods sold there. This explains why Chinese tourists love to buy a lot of foreign goods while travelling aboard.
    3) The Central Government publicly admitted there were organ harvesting from people on the death row. However, it claimed that this has been banned since 2015. The reality is that it is still here but instead of organs available to the rich and powerful, it is now only available to the powerful.
    4) The definition of PRC's democracy is that everything is owned by the People. Here, "People" only refers to the supporters of the Community Party. Since the Community Party is the only representative of "People", democracy in China's definition means dictatorship from the Chinese Communist Party.
    5) They have an interesting medical system that has three types of hospitals: 1) Public; 2) International; 3) Putian. Public hospitals receive almost zero funding from the government, their low cost is mainly achieved by keeping doctors salary artificially low. Therefore, unlike other countries, only people who can't study would choose to become doctors. International hospitals are funded by foreigners to provide western level care at an exorbitant price. Putian hospitals refer to the main group of private hospitals there that is mainly to scam money from people with cancer or reproductive problems. I heard that they were owned by one of the oligarchy such that they are allowed to operate as a scam for over 30 years.
    6) Officially, only MZD, DXP, JZM and XJP were declared core leaders. HJT was not declared a core because his power was limited by JZM and his cronies. Since XJP foiled the potential coup of BXL and consolidated power, he was able to declare himself as the core leader.
    7) Monetarily, China is now devaluing her currency and restricting capital out flow in an effort to pop up the property market such that the collapse of the provincial government can be prevented/postponed.

    As to whether US should be friends with PRC, I think diplomatic relationship was established in the 70s to counter USSR and then after USSR is dissolved, to tap into the PRC market and take advantage of the cheap labor there. Nowadays, due to protectionism of PRC, many US business leaders found it harder to do business in China, this plus the fact that China is now a more credible rival than Russia, I think US will distance herself from China during Trump's term.

    There are also other facets of Chinese society that is unique due to the twisted nature of the political system. If you are interested to know, I can see if I can help you out.
     
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  5. A_3PO

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    OP, explain this question.
     
  6. Cohete Rojo

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    Are we on the "right side of history" with our alliance with the politburo?
     
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    What alliance is that? You mean the one China policy agreed to by Nixon?
     
  8. Cohete Rojo

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    Yeah, that's the one.
     
  9. A_3PO

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    I can tell you one thing: If the United States decides to unilaterally abandon the one China policy, China will retaliate massively and make every nation in the world regret the change. If you have the fantasy other major countries would follow suit, I suggest you return back to earth and join the rest of us.

    The Republican party will reign Trump in. There is no chance of a policy change.
     
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  10. Cohete Rojo

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    Oh, please tell me, and please tell me more than one thing. Let's start with: is the US on the right side of history with its alliance with China, and is this the kind of alliance that we want?
     
  11. ymc

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    I doubt China can retaliate massively right now because their economy is not in good shape. However, I would think it will look better if the One China Policy is changed due to China doing something bad, e.g. another Tiananmen massacre, starts a war in South China Sea, etc.

    Having said that, maintaining status quo is the best choice for all the parties involved.
     
  12. superfob

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    Wait when does the US have an alliance with China? Aren't we just trading partners.

    Pretty sure our actual alliances in the East is with Japan and Korea.
     
  13. ymc

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    First, US is not in any form of military alliance with China. China is just one of the many countries US has a diplomatic relationship.

    From the point of view of typical US people, China is potential rival that might challenge US's supremacy in the future. From the point of view of typical Chinese people, since they are brainwashed by their government that US has a hand in many things that derail China's development (I think there is some degree of truth in this), they view US negatively but they realize their power now is not enough to challenge US, so they agree with their government to bid their time.

    Overall, I would consider US-China relationship as a potential rivalry but for now there are areas that both sides can work together for mutual benefits.
     
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  14. Cohete Rojo

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    LOL. I'm not even sure what to classify these statements as. Bizarre? Obfuscating?

    Well, anyway, for those of us living in reality: is the US on the wrong side of history with it's alliance with the China?
     
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    They did not lose their humor. Obviously.

     
  16. superfob

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    The hell are you talking about?
    Please clarify your question/statement since you just keep repeating the same thing over and over again.
     
  17. Cohete Rojo

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    Not sure which century you are living in but we have a major trade alliance going on with China. Just thought I'd bring you up to speed.
     
  18. Amiga

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    Pretty fitting.
     
  19. Deckard

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    With all due respect, you keep posting things that aren't making sense. As others have said, and you continue to ignore, we do not have an alliance with the PRC. Trade or otherwise, now that you have decided to toss trade in there. We have diplomatic relations. We have trade agreements and we obviously trade with the PRC. All you have to do is go to Walmart and see where a huge percentage of their goods for sale have come from. Are you simply confused? Having a hard time explaining what you mean? Something is going on because, again, you are posting things that simply aren't making sense.
     
  20. A_3PO

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    Deckard, he thinks repeating the same thing enough times makes it true (or will convince others it's true).

    Reminds me of somebody.
     
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