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Children Being Left Behind...

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by OldManBernie, Apr 17, 2006.

  1. OldManBernie

    OldManBernie Old Fogey

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    What's the point of the new "No Child Left Behind Laws", if the government is helping schools to evade it? This is pretty messed up IMO. Schools need to be held credible if they fail their students.
     
  2. RocketMan Tex

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    Pretty numbers for more $$$.

    "No Child Left Behind" is a legislative mannequin for the Bush Administration.

    It is all talk and no substance, based on HISDs "Houston Miracle" which itself has turned out to be a lie thanks to the courage of a couple of HISD whistle-blowers.

    It should be renamed "No Child Left Funded" because that is exactly how it plays out.
     
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    Sounds like "No child we consider statistically relevant" left behind
     
  4. JuanValdez

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    Man, I thought this thread was going to be about the Left Behind series.
     
  5. OldManBernie

    OldManBernie Old Fogey

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    I wonder why they chose to exclude the 65,000 Asian students here in Texas. Every year I get a school progress report from the district that shows Asians at/near the top of all subjects. I'm sure this trend is similar all across the state.
     
  7. geeimsobored

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    Because the 65000 they left out were generally asians who had just immigrated from Asia. They generally have below-average english skills and lower social studies skills because they havent been here very long.
     
  8. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Stop the damned testing and go back to teaching....don't teach the test, teach the reading, writing, and math.

    And if the student doesn't qualify to move to the next grade hold their A$$ back.

    Too much worrying about the poor students feelings....

    Sheesh !!


    DD
     
  9. Saint Louis

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    That would create free thinkers and the government doesn't want the future to be populated by those that can think for themselves.

    Sincerely,

    Alex Jones
     
  10. OldManBernie

    OldManBernie Old Fogey

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    I can agree with your sentiments, but if your children's school does not stand up to the rest of the nation, wouldn't you want to know that? Bad schools need to be held accountable, and if they need help, let the government allocate the resources. However, indifference towards bad schools won't solve anything.
     
  11. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    This is a major problem Old Man, there is no incentive to being a good teacher, you get the same pay if you are a lousy teacher.

    There should be some incentive program in place to reward good teachers and encourage others to improve.

    DD
     
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    I guess that would explain the improved numbers I read awhile back...

    The state governments are behind it. Education, like health care, is subsidized by the Fed while the State gets control over funding. For all the talk of resisting nationalized health and education plans, the Federal Government pays and supports a bulk of it.

    It's a silly joke at Capitol Hill, but passing the buck is their style.
     
  13. Major

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    Regardless of their scores, if "Asians" as a group don't improve from the previous year, I believe the schools get penalized.
     
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    The problem i see with that is when alot of kids of a certain race enter a state and are tested. Unless they retest the same kids they tested b4 they may not see any increase. Therefore the program would fail the entire race in testing, when in actuality they just tested a new group of kids that havent been in america for a year and learned social studies and grammar.
     
  15. Major

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    Beyond that, scores simply can't improve indefinitely for any group. At some point, they have to stabilize. Perhaps there are some other rules that if you get to a certain level, you're OK or something, but it seems to me to be one of many problems with NCLB.
     
  16. StupidMoniker

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    So if a school happens to have one Natvie American kid the principles job should depend on if that one kid is a good student? This (ignoring samples that are too small) seems perfectly reasonable to me. I am not a big fan of the idea behind the program overall, and this breaking the scores down by race idea I like even less, but the complaint in the article seems to be worrying about the wrong thing.
     
  17. rrj_gamz

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    It's all about $$$...

    If the lower scoring districts couldn't meet the requirements, they couldn't get the funding per kid, meaning, no more school, which would never happen...There is no accountability if you fudge the numbers...
     

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