Cheney weighs fratricide to sell war on Iran Press TV August 3, 2008 Prominent journalist Seymour Hersh exposes details of a plan considered by US Vice President Dick Cheney on how to provoke war with Iran. In a July article published in the New Yorker, the Pulitzer Prize winning journalist revealed information about covert US operations carried out in Iran. He did not disclose the content of the talks with Cheney in his article. “There was a dozen ideas proffered about how to trigger a war [with Iran],” Hersh said recently in reference to the subject of discussion at a meeting held at Cheney’s office. In a July article published in the New Yorker, the Pulitzer Prize winning journalist revealed information about covert US operations carried out in Iran. He did not disclose the content of the talks with Cheney in his article. In a recent interview with Think Progress, however, Hersh exposed that the meeting witnessed Cheney mulling over a proposal to dress up Navy SEALs as Iranians and shoot them in order to trigger a war with Iran. “The one (plan) that interested me the most was why don’t we build - we in our shipyard - build four or five boats that look like Iranian PT boats. Put Navy SEALs on them with a lot of arms. And next time one of our boats goes to the Strait of Hormuz, start a shoot-up,” he revealed in his recent interview. “Might cost some lives. And it was rejected because you can’t have Americans killing Americans. That’s the kind of - that’s the level of stuff we’re talking about. Provocation.” The well-known journalist added that the proposal was ultimately rejected. “Look, is it high school? Yeah. Are we playing high school with you know 5,000 nuclear warheads in our arsenal? Yeah we are. We’re playing, you know, who’s the first guy to run off the highway with us and Iran,” he continued. Hersh argues that should Washington engineer ‘the right incident’, Americans will ’support’ going to war with Iran. Pulitzer Prize winner Seymour Myron Hersh first gained worldwide recognition in 1969 for exposing the My Lai massacre and its cover-up during the Vietnam War. <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/slgBrbNXrbs&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/slgBrbNXrbs&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> Link: http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=65445§ionid=3510203
No different than the Bush/Blair idea of painting US warplanes in UN colors and then flying next to the no-fly-zone limit and daring iraqis to shoot them down... america. **** yeah.
I wonder what are the other 11 ideas ? let me guess !! 1- Launching missiles from the Iraqi-Iranian boarders on US military bases in the Persian gulf area. Blame it on Iran. 2- Blowing up Oil fields in Kuwait, Saudi, UAE. 3- Sending boats on suicide missions to strike American Warships. Use a mindless barbarian thug who belongs to Al-Qaeda ! .......... Well ... looks like am not creative enough to be hired by the New-con blood suckers
Sounds like BS to me. If a Pulitzer Prize winner says so, it must be good. Why would anything like that be made known by Cheney? It must be a tongue in cheek conversation if it ever happened.
'cause God knows nothing like that has ever been secretly discussed in earnest and then was later accidentally leaked with pages of official documents supporting the idea... er... nevermind... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods People give the Government way too much credit for wisdom and competence. It is the same effect that encourages people to believe that the same government that let New Orleans drown through incompetence could manage to keep under raps some immense conspiracy theory.
I am very skeptical about this too but then again there have been a lot of questionable things that have happened that have gotten the US into war such as the sinking of The Maine that got us into the Spanish-American War, the Sinking of the Lusitania that got us into WWI and the Gulf of Tonkin.
If it happened, it was likely exposed by someone who didn't really like the idea. And given that the idea was rejected, there were probably quite a few people at the meeting that didn't like it.
Lol are we supposed to believe everything a attention needy individual masquarding as a journalist like hersh?
Dude, You might try translating your posts into English before clicking on the Submit Reply button. Your welcome.
Suskind: Bush ordered fake letter linking Iraq to 9/11 David Edwards and Nick Juliano Published: Tuesday August 5, 2008 Author: Only White House reaction is 'calling me names' A blockbuster new book from investigative journalist Ron Suskind adds another revelation to the growing canon demonstrating the lengths to which President Bush and members of his administration lied, misled and deceived the American people to pursue its invasion of Iraq. Bush allegedly ordered the CIA to forge a handwritten letter from the head of Iraq's intelligence service to Saddam Hussein that purported to link the Iraqi dictator to the ringleader of the hijackers who toppled the Twin Towers on 9/11, according to news accounts of Suskind's new book, The Way of the World: A Story of Truth and Hope in an Age of Extremism. Such use of an intelligence service to influence domestic political debate could be an impeachable offense, Suskind writes. Politico's Mike Allen reports: According to Suskind, the administration had been in contact with the director of the Iraqi intelligence service in the last years of Hussein’s regime, Tahir Jalil Habbush al-Tikriti. “The White House had concocted a fake letter from Habbush to Saddam, backdated to July 1, 2001,” Suskind writes. “It said that 9/11 ringleader Mohammad Atta had actually trained for his mission in Iraq – thus showing, finally, that there was an operational link between Saddam and al Qaeda, something the Vice President’s Office had been pressing CIA to prove since 9/11 as a justification to invade Iraq. There is no link.” [...] The author claims that such an operation, part of “false pretenses” for war, would apparently constitute illegal White House use of the CIA to influence a domestic audience, an arguably impeachable offense. The faked letter was first reported as genuine by the conservative London Sunday Telegraph in December 2003. Right-wing commentators and Bush defenders harped on that disclosure as evidence of Saddam Hussein's involvement in the 9/11 attacks. According to Suskind's book, the CIA had been protecting Habbush in the early months of the invasion; the agency persuaded the Iraqi intelligence chief to write the letter in his own handwriting and paid him $5 million. CBS White House correspondent Bill Plante reported Tuesday that Suskind's sources had seen a draft of the letter written on White House stationary. Suskind outlined his findings further in a Huffington Post diary Tuesday: The Iraq Intelligence Chief, Tahir Jalil Habbush -- a man still carrying with $1 million reward for capture, the Jack of Diamonds in Bush's famous deck of wanted men -- has been America's secret source on Iraq. Starting in January of 2003, with Blair and Bush watching, his secret reports began to flow to officials on both sides of the Atlantic, saying that there were no WMD and that Hussein was acting so odd because of fear that the Iranians would find out he was a toothless tiger). The U.S. deep-sixed the intelligence report in February, "resettled" Habbush to a safe house in Jordan during the invasion and then paid him $5 million in what could only be considered hush money. In the fall of 2003, after the world learned there were no WMD -- as Habbush had foretold -- the White House ordered the CIA to carry out a deception. The mission: create a handwritten letter, dated July, 2001, from Habbush to Saddam saying that Atta trained in Iraq before the attacks and the Saddam was buying yellow cake for Niger with help from a "small team from the al Qaeda organization." The mission was carried out, the letter was created, popped up in Baghdad, and roiled the global newcycles in December, 2003 (conning even venerable journalists with Tom Brokaw). The mission is a statutory violation of the charter of CIA, and amendments added in 1991, prohibiting CIA from conduction disinformation campaigns on U.S. soil. The Way of the World is Suskind's third book on the inner workings of the Bush administration, joining The One Percent Doctrine, which outlined the often extreme anti-terror policies advanced by the likes of Vice President Dick Cheney, and The Price of Loyalty, which painted a picture of the early day's of Bush's presidency with the help of ousted former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill. Predictably, the White House is unhappy with Suskind's latest offering and the Bush administration is relying on its trademark push-back of insulting the messenger. White House spokesman Tony Fratto insulted Suskind, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his work with the Wall Street Journal, as a practitioner of "gutter journalism," and called the allegations "absurd." Such a reaction is merely aimed at downplaying the impact of Suskind's explosive revelations, the author says. "So, here we go again: the administration full attack mode, calling me names, George Tenet is claiming he doesn't remember any such thing -- just like he couldn't remember "slam dunk" -- and reporters are scratching their heads," Suskind writes at Huffington Post. "Everything in the book is on the record. Many sources. And so, we watch and wait...." Suskind appeared Tuesday on NBC's Today Show for interviews about the latest book. This video is from NBC's Today Show, broadcast August 5, 2008. http://216.87.173.33/media/2008/0808/nbc_today_suskind_iraq_911_080805a.flv Link : http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Suskind_Bush_ordered_fake_letter_linking_0805.html
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BTW, if you want to know where the neocons get their great fondness of lying and cheating the 'ordinary people' (aka the great unwashed masses), this is the guy who philosophically lead the elitist anti-egalitarians in charge of our country to the promised land, 30 or so years ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Strauss He is very typical of the elitist Germans who split with the Nazis before WWII, primarily because they (the Nazis) were too much populists. Essentially they were royalists who wanted the return of the Kaiser and were philosophically wedded to a central royal-type power structure. Otherwise, they share quite a bit with the Nazis and have a disturbing fondness for many of the same things. Presumably they escaped the same taint that the Nazis received post war because they had been in conflict with the Nazis, but that doesn't mean they saw the world very differently and they were born and grew up with a extreme distaste for 'liberal moral decadence' and the 'mob rule of Democracy' There were quite a few of these types who somehow became prominent between the end of WWII and maybe the 1980's and influenced quite a few of the deeper, darker recesses of modern political thought. Oswald Spengler would be another, though he is not so relevant to the neocon philosophy.
i surprised we've come this far in the thread, and yet no one has dared address the question implied in the thread title: "How much does fratricide weigh?"
On the Neo-cons scale ? It weighs nothing, Bush and cheney won't give a damn about 4000 US Decomposed bodies, dead because of lies and deception. The question is, why would you try to fabricate evidence to go to war when you believe that Iraq ( in 2003 ) and Iran are imminent threats ? you won't need brainstorming sessions to clone the gulf of Tonkin Incident, or, will u ? It's time to cease your love affair with the Neo-cons. Please accept this little gift from moi! The joy of watching Rummy getting owned is indescribable. <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/v1FTmuhynaw&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/v1FTmuhynaw&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
