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  1. Lil Pun

    Lil Pun Member

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    I was assigned some homework in chemistry today but my book is on back order. I can turn it in on Friday but get bonus points if it is in by 11:00 AM tomorrow. I really don't want the answers, I just want to know how to get the answers through work. Here are the questions:

    1. For each of the following determine
    A. Electronic geometry
    B. Molecular geometry
    C. The molecule's polarity (Polar/Non-Polar)

    HNO2

    CH3-

    CO2

    2. Determine the mass of sodium carbonate, Na2CO3, required to make 500.00 mL of 0.09750 M aqueous solution.


    If you want to post the answers that is fine but I really want to know what needs to be done in order to get the answers. TIA
     
  2. fmullegun

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    For molecular geometry you look at the shape of the molecule. For instance CO2 is linear.

    I guess electronic geometry means the shape of the e- bonds. if so just say pi or sigma bonds. possibly describe lone pairs. I've never heard that term before.

    Polarity you look at electron density and see if it is polar. water is polar because the electron density is not shared equally.


    M is Molarity. moles per liter. so 0.09750M is 0.09750 moles per 1 liter.
     
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  3. Lil Pun

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    Thanks for the quick reply. Is molecular geometry always linear and non-linear or are there other variations?

    I am not sure what electronic geometry is either. :confused:

    What do you mean when you say electron density? :confused: :confused:

    So is that the answer on the last one or how to get to the answer? :confused:
     
  4. Lil Pun

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    Number 2 is a simple conversion problem.

    Like someone said above, Molarity is simply the unit for Moles/Liter so if you are required to make 500.00 mL of .09750 M solution:

    .09750 (mole/liter) * .5 (L) * Molecular weight of Sodium bicarbonate (grams/mol) = answer

    All units cancel out except grams, which is your mass.
     
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  6. fmullegun

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    yeah basically what i said. Talk about the electron pairs and the bonds in the molecule.

    there is more than linear and non linear. You can find them easily, just google the molecule.
     
  7. Lil Pun

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    Found this pic on both but still not quite grasping the concepts.

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    Google image the compounds or search them on wikipedia. Both very good chemistry resources.
     
  9. CharlieMurphy

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    Here's a chart to help determine molecular and electron geometry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VSEPR_theory#AXE_Method

    Molecular geometry is solely based on the number of electron groups, meaning it doesn't matter if they're bonding or nonbonding pairs of electrons. Electron geometry, which is the actual "shape" of the molecule, differentiates between bonding and nonbonding pairs of electrons.

    For example, the central atom in water, oxygen, has 2 pairs of nonbonding electrons and 2 covalent bonds to hydrogen; thus 4 electron groups, which correlates to a tetrahedral molecular geometry. But since, it has 2 pairs of nonbonding electrons, the actual shape (electron geometry) is bent.

    Determining polarity is pretty easy once you have the shape figured out. For water, the oxygen is more electronegative than the hydrogen atoms, making it a polar molecule.

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    An example of a nonpolar molecule would be CO2, which has a molecular geometry and electron geometry that are both linear. This is because the central atom, carbon, has 2 double bonds to oxygen and 0 nonbonding electrons. Basically, if the central atom has no nonbonding electrons, then the electron geometry is the same as the molecular geometry. The carbon is less electronegative than the oxygen atoms, so there is a polar bond, but since it is a linear molecular, the two polar bonds are orientated in a way such that their directions are opposite of each other, thus canceling each other's polarity out and making it a nonpolar molecule.

    [​IMG]
     
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  10. srrm

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    For Molecular geometry: each of the bonds described represents a pair of electrons. Some atoms in the molecule have lone pairs of electrons. Remember that like charges repel, i.e. the electron pairs repel each other so this is the force that forces the molecule to take a particular shape. So your job is to describe molecule shape based on this.

    e.g. NH3 has 3 covalent bonds (3 shared pairs of electrons) and the nitrogen atom has one lone pair of electrons. So, the resulting shape according to your picture is trigonal pyramidal (i.e. the lone pair of electrons occupies the so-called top/point of the pyramid, while the 3 covalent bonds form the 3 legs of the pyramid).

    For electronic geometry: basically the same as what I said above; analyze each molecule's electrons and describe where they are located and what bonds they are in, if any.

    Google polarity. Wikipedia has a good page too. Basically, it has to do with electron pairs in a molecule not being located right in the middle of the covalent bond; instead it is attracted more towards one of the atoms in the covalent bond. Try and figure out which pairs are more attracted to which atom (if any) and if the overall molecule is 'polarized'. It helps to draw the molecule shape and write in little "delta+" or "delta-" signs as the wiki page shows.

    For the concentration question: you need two formulas:
    A. "n = c x v" i.e. number of moles = concentration x volume
    B. "m = n x Mw" i.e. mass = number of moles x molecular weight

    You can figure out how to use the 2 equations to get what you are looking for. To find the molecular weight, simply add the atomic masses of each atom (element) in the molecule.
     
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    Ummm :D
     
  12. Lil Pun

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    OK, guys I forgot to mention this is for General Chemistry II and I haven't had I in 7 years.

    How do you know the electron number?

    Take water for instance (H2O). Are there 2 hydrogen electrons and 1 oxygen? How can you tell molecular/electronic geometry simply from that?
     
  13. CharlieMurphy

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    The subscript tells you how many atoms there are of that element. So for H20, there's 2 hydrogen atoms and one oxygen.

    For the number of electrons, read these two:
    Valence Electrons
    Octet Rule
     
  14. fmullegun

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    dude you need to just sit down with the book and read. If you are this far behind talking on a forum isn't going to cut it. Read a few chapters and all these questions are answered. None of these concepts have changed in 70 years so any book published in the last few decades will have all of this in it. Wikipedia does also. Just read the stuff.
     
  15. Lil Pun

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    That's the thing. Don't have the book and it won't be in until next Tuesday at the earliest.
     
  16. fmullegun

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    I'm telling you it isn't a problem man. Just read up on wikipedia. I promise you it will be easier to understand than whatever text you will get. These concepts are so old your textbook will not have some special information not available in every other book.
     
  17. fmullegun

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    No way, man. You should have learned electron counting in high school, Pun. :( You don't need a book for that and I doubt you can't google it, dude.
     
  19. Lil Pun

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    Here are my answers I have gotten from what you all have told me. Can any of you tell me if I am correct?

    HNO2

    Electronic: Trigonal planar
    Molecular: Bent
    Polarity: Non polar

    CH3-

    Electronic:Trigonal planar
    Molecular: Trigonal pyramidal
    Polarity: Polar

    CO2

    Electronic: Linear
    Molecular: Linear
    Polarity: Non polar

    .09750 (m/L) * .5 L * 105.9886 (g/mol) = 5.16694425 g
     
  20. fmullegun

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    I didn't do calculations but i would count off for not havings "mol" or "moles" here.
     

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