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CD on 610AM (Collier, Griffin, Langhi, Colson Updates)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Tb-Cain, Aug 3, 2001.

  1. Tb-Cain

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    CD was on 610 this morning discussing Dream, of course, but I was more interested in his comments on the summer league and player evaluations.

    He said Griffin looks like he's going to be a phenom and hasn't seen that kind of rebounding and shot blocking since Dream was a very young man.

    Said Langhi looked good in the first tournament, but that almost all the players hit the wall in the second.

    He said Collier could have played and wanted to play, but management wanted to be overly cautious. Personally, I wonder if Collier and Cato didn't play much or at all when it was becoming evident that Dream wouldn't be back.

    He was talking about the need to resign our free agents, Anderson, Taylor, Moochie. More intriguing was that he mentioned Colson. That causes me to wonder if Colson might be our Moochie insurance.

    From the reports and CD saying Colson was getting stronger each game this summer, Colson sounds like he might be adequate considering anyone backing up Steve at the point won't see much time.

    Colson will definately come cheaper than Mooch, and if we lose both Mooch and Anderson due to Fegan, Colson may figure to be a key role player next season.
     
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    yeah, colson seems to e making strides from all the reports, so I wouldn't be disappointed if it worked out that way.
     
  3. rox dreamz

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    I like Mooch a lot.

    But considering our quickly developing history with Feagan, I think it is definitely in our best interests to be developing an insurance plan in case the demands are simply too high.

    I could care less about Shandon (hope we do a sign and trade for a quality role player), but I would truly miss Moochie. And, of course, I feel bad for the guy if things go sour with Feagan. Mooch has waited patiently while we resolved the Hakeem issue and actually wants to play for the Rox. It would be a real shame if Feagan mucks things up.
     
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    I dont think Colson is the answer? From what I saw on ESPN2, he looked like a major ball hog for a PG. Langhi did too, but he was playing alot of shooting guard. So he was suppose to drive and make baskets.

    I think there are alot of guys out there that can backup Francis, and like it was already mentioned, its not like they will see alot of playing time. Rudy played alot of Franis/Mobley/Norris last year, but with Griffin - I dont see that lineup much this year.
     
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    I like Mooch, too; he really fired up the crowd against Phoenix (I was courtside: too bad the Rox lost). But would you sign and trade him and another player (I don't know who) to, say, the Knicks (or the Heat, if the deal was a 3-way somehow) if you could land someone like Marcus Camby? Reports say he's added 20 lbs. That could be hype to get him traded, but only if we could land a high caliber player.
     
  6. Tmo

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    any mention of tmo?
     
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    Colson is really more of a shooting guard than a point. If we loose SA then I could see colson playing the point only by defualt in his hieght but our shooting guard would really be handling the ball. Similar to how Iverson and snow were 2 season ago in my opinion. Or he would be a point on defense and a two on offense.

    He can really get inside all the way to the basket and score on big guys. He is very hard to guard one on one, more than likely he will beat his man of the dribble in iso, he's really quick. If he gets a screen he will take it to the hole than shoot a jumper. He has range on the outside also. But he is more of a scorer than a shooter, he scores in bunches. His shot comes and goes, he can be really hot or cold. As for him being a play maker he needs to work at it. He has a hard time getting the ball to the open man when he gets double instead he passes it to another player or takes the shot(which he does sometimes make but it is a high risk shot and I don't think a coach would want it). He does well on the fast break as a point, he finds players underneath or near the basket and waits to pass it to them just enough to where they don't have to dribble. In half court sets he pass to players on the outside then to players on the inside posting up. On defense he is fast and probably could keep up with most points in the NBA.

    I think the rockets would/should keep him, we should have at least 5 guards on the team. He be good for 10-15 mins a game or a backup to MN or SA. Just in my Opinion.
     
  8. tozai

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    Tmo will be signed for sure (the Rockets gave up a pick + they really wanted him anyways)
    Colson was being a ballhog like sneed and other hopefuls because theyre trying to show off their skills and get a roster spot, he wont do that if he actually makes the team(at least he better not, or else rudy'll talk some sense into him)
    but forget colson, we should get moochie
     
  9. Jeff

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    He mentioned that Morris was very smooth on the floor but still learning. He said that seeing (and I thought this was a VERY BIG statement) Griffin and Morris on the floor together gives you a "warm and fuzzy feeling."

    With the Rockets considering their options at center, this COULD indicate an inclination to run Taylor, Morris, Griffin, Mobley and Francis out on the floor a bit. A couple of weeks after the draft, I heard rumblings that the Rockets were really intrigued by this line-up especially considering zone defense rules and the fact that Griffin is a GREAT shot blocker and Morris is a VERY good defender. Griffin apparently is pushing 6'11" and Morris is just over 6'9".

    Interesting as well is that CD mentioned that Griffin is actually younger than Kwame Brown even though he played a year in college. He said Griffin is probably still going to grow a bit.
     
  10. Tb-Cain

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    About, T-Mo, he did mention him. He was discussing the future of the Rockets and how he's excited about the direction. He mentioned Griffin and Morris.

    If memory serves, he said something about it being exciting watching the two on the court together. I've read so many posts, that it may have been someone on this board who wrote that.

    Anyway, nothing really significant was said about Morris other than I got the impression that he was going to be a factor in the rotation. Not just sitting on the end of the bench and hanging out with Steve.
     
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    Thanks for the T-Mo update, Jeff, I couldn't remember his exact statements.
     
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    I felt the exact same way. Not only do these guys work well together, but both of their arms are looonnnnnnggg (as opposed to having one 3.5+' arm and one 1' stub)... I actually meant that both of them have long reaches. There were too many times to count in which Morris and Griffin collapsed together when the big man made his move. It was definitely a site to see.

    If Cato takes his testosterone, sheez... let's have a block party. Griffin collapsing down on Cato's man... small ball w/ Griffin and Morris... sheez.

    This should be a fun year.

    BTW, does anyone notice that that statement seems to abandon Shandon out in never never land? If that s&t doesn't happen this summer, 12/15 will be a date to remember. ;)
     
  13. Tmo

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    re: shotblocking
    tmo is 2nd all time leader in that category at md, & averaged 2.5bpg last year
     
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    I think TRock just fits the style of the rockets perfectly. He has rocket written all over him, tall, fast, can handle the ball(even walk it down against Defense), he spots up for 3pters, loves to run on fast breaks(he does it almost every time down), plays team D, doesn't not try to be a one man show just a team player. Just what we need at small forward, I'm really glad we got him, really glad(I would have been happy if we used our 13pick on him before the trade, IMHO).

    I also did notice that he did block alot of shots in the summer league, a few times EG and him get together on the same man with the ball and just swarm on the player, just no way to shoot over the two when their together one of them is going to block it. I would love to see 6'10 EG, 6'9 Mo and 6'9 TRock together out there it would be a really athletic frontline that could keep up with any other. Plus I could see alot of fast breaks with Francis and him(TM) the way he plays.
     
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    Colson: I was NOT impressed with his game very much. Somehow I had to convince myself that I was being too critical, but the the next game he was slow, poor PG decisions, sloppy telegraphic passes, carried the ball up around his ears on the dribble ... all in all, not impressed. He definitely will not give Mooch any scares about losing his slot. We will be in trouble oif Colson is in and Mooch is out. the experience level, decision making abilities alone are miles apart.

    Langhi: Was played out of his spot and it looked that way for a lot of the games, especially near the end of the schedule. But he also looked comfortable on the floor, played with some confidence. I could see some maturity on some levels from last year. He just that he looked "out of position" at times. Looked like he had to check himself when he didn't have the ball, kinda telling himself he was a two not a three and had to "cover back" if the PG drove to the basket ... that sort of thing.

    Mooch: He is a lock in my estimation. Fegan may have something to say about that, but Mooch wants to play here, and CD wants him here. If Fegan starts being an ass about it, well, I have a steaky suspicion Mooch just may take the bull by the horns and decide on his own. Just because you have Fegan on your payroll, doesn't mean you can't make your own intelligent desicions.

    Shandon: On a couple of occasions I got the impression that he was merely an afterthought on CD's mind. CD would mention a couple of things, mention some players, and then ... kinda like ... oh yeah and Shandon Anderson too.
     
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    Moochie is just another guy that we got from the CBA that when given minutes..he had time to shine, and we all fell in love with him for the "spice" that he brought to the game. I'm sure that when given the shot Sean Colson could do this as well. True, he may not have the cool hairstyle, but who really cares. If Colson, can come in and control the tempo, make some shots, play some D, it's good enough for me. I don't this the backup PG will play more than 10 mins a game unless Franchise is off or injured. :D
     
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    Jeff or anyone, what is the projected depth chart at the present positions for "12" positions. FREDTERP
     
  18. GATER

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    You need to seriously re-think this statement. Regardless of how the Rocks obtained Moochie or his degree of "spice", the fact is Moochie is a 20 min/g backup with a very high assist/TO ratio who has ice water in his veins at crunch time.

    Sean Colson is a Mooche wannabe.
     
  19. DearRock

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    Bottonline is that Colson is much better than most of us thought and like LA said he should be on the team. I would put him on the team before Anderson, at this point. Colson is legitimately dangerous.

    In fact, given the Rockets depth at 1,2,3 and 4, RT should unleash them to play aggressive defense and continuous non-stop running from the get go. The rotation should not be under 10. All of these guys are ready for minutes:

    Jackson Cato Collier
    Taylor Thomas
    Griffin Langhi Anderson
    Mobley Williams Morris
    Francis Moochie Colson
     
  20. today

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    I am astounded at how many of you (including the Rockets Mgmt) thought that Colson played well. He was marginal at best, and that was against very weak competition. I guarentee you that if he continues to dribble the ball as high (up to his shoulders) as he did in that game on tv, he will get ripped at least 1-2 times by most NBA PGs if he plays 10 minutes a game. This guy is VERY raw. At point guard, his decisions and ball handling are sub-par. The two positive things that I saw in him last year were that he can get into the defense and can shoot/score decently. If I can remember correctly, this guy was averaging 20+ ppg in the CBA before we picked him up. We don't need his points unless we have him play the 2 guard. It's very obvious to me that he lacks experience at the point and unless we are going to give this guy 5-10 minutes a game at the 2-slot, we should not play him at all. He might be a good guy to keep around with the last roster spot or the IR spot, but only for insurance in case one of our guys goes down.
     

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