Ok. The first round of the draft is over and there will always be different opinions on what happened. #1 Celtics (puedlfor) pick PF/C Theo Ratliff 11pts, 9 reb, 3 blocks, 32 min. Can't argue with this pick. If I had the first pick I would also have drafted him. #2 Sixers (Heath) pick PF/C Marcus Camby 10.8 pts, 8.2 reb, 2.15 blocks, 30 min. I needed a big man to play center after trading Mutumbo. I felt he was the best available, but who am I to judge my own pick. #3 Kings (DVauthrin) pick SG Derek Anderson 16 pts, 5 reb, 3 asst, 29 min. Anderson was the best guard available and after putting up Stockton Kings could use one. He also have Baron Davis as an upcoming PG so this makes sence. #4 Pistons (Castor) pick PF Mo Taylor 15.4 pts, 6.8 reb, 27.4 min. Pistons really needed a big man. I did not expect to see Taylor go this high as I think there was better PF's still on the board. What Taylor has going for himself is his scoring. No better scorers left as a big man and I guess thats what Pistons wanted. (And then you have the fact that Mo is a Rocket ) #5 Wizards (DBC) pick PF/C Jermaine O'Neal 7.8 pts, 8.1 reb, 1.8 blocks, 30 min. Good pick. Wizards needed a center after submitting White to the pool. This is a nice upgrade. I almost took O'Neal at #2 but opted for Camby. #6 Nets (CriscoKidd) pick PF Brian Grant 11.4 pts, 9.7 reb, 32 min. This draft really goes hard after the big men. Could it be the zone? Not my choice for big man here, but not as bad as I first thought after checking his stats. #7 Knicks (Johny Rocket) pick C Patrick Ewing 14.0 pts, 9.7 reb, 32 min. Another big man. And Ewing was probably the one with the best stats (big man) remaining, but I'm not sure I would have taken him to build my franchise aound if I had been a new GM in this league. #8 Rockets (The Cat) pick PG John Stockton 13.8 pts, 8.2 asst, 31 min. Stockton was the best PG available in this draft no question about that. He was probably the best avaiable at #8, but now The Cat is going really small as he gave up 2 big men to the pool. #9 Grizzlies (Nomar) pick PF/C Danny Fortson 12.3 pts, 9.2 reb, 31.4 min. Just what the doctor ordered. This is a huge pickup for Nomar, and after being outside the playoffs looking in I feel Danny Fortson was the piece he needed after the Iverson trade. Nomar was lucky Fortson fell into his lap. Grizzlies will be dangerous this year. #10 Nets (CriscoKidd) pick SF Scottie Pippen 13.2 pts, 5.6 reb, 4.8 asst. Best SF available and a good pickup. #11 Bucks (Ren D) pick C Vlade Divac 11pts, 7.8 reb, 31 min. Last seasons NBA-finalist had to drop thetoppick this year. Bucks replaced Ratliff with Divac, and thats of course not the same quality. But Bucks was forced to pick a big man and after the run for all the big men there was not much left so Divac will do fine. #12 Sonics (RunninRaven) pick PG Eric Snow 8.2 pts, 7.5 asst, 28 min. Snow was one of the better PGs left, and Sonics needed a PG after they traded away Payton. As he played for me last year - I can only wish him the best with Sonics. His production in this years playoffs scares me a bit to know if Raven picked the best PG left. #13 Spurs (dc rock) pick SG Jim Jackson 17.2 pts, 5 reb, 3 asst, 33min. This could be the best pickup in this draft. Compare numbers with #3 in the draft and you will see that Jackson have the same numbers with 1.2 more pts in 4 more mins. BGM claims his numbers are to high as he wasfeeding on the superior Jazz system (that did not work in the playoffs). The best pick of the draft based on draft-position is either this or Nomar getting Fortson at #9 I feel. #14 Wolves (vj23k) pick SF Wally Szczerbiak Wolves pick back their own player. #15 Lakers (fadeaway) pick SF Glen Rice #16 Jazz(BGM) pick SF Toni Kuckoc #17 Mavs (VOR) pick C Dale Davis Not my choice for big man even at 17. #18 Blazers (Smeg) pick C Marc Jackson Feel Smeg got the better big man of the 2 powerhouses in the west last year. ------------------ Join the CC.net NBA Sim ------------------------- Rosters & Stats - Stat requests & Stats - Trade Discussions - Official Trades - Draftinfo [This message has been edited by Heath2000 (edited May 02, 2001).]
I thought Camby was a good pick up at 2. Didn't you also look at Jermaine o'neal? #2 would have been way too high for him. If Camby was around at 4 I would have taken him. I had wanted a big man here(Camby Ratliff type player) but O'neal's numbers didn't impress me and Ewing is not going to be around long enough to be much help. I also looked at Stockton but decided I could address PG needs elsewhere. It came down to deciding between Mo, O'neal, Fortson. I decided Mo's numbers were hard to pass up and he will most likely play more minutes for me than he did for Cat. Oh and it didn't hurt that he was a Rocket CK [This message has been edited by Castor27 (edited May 02, 2001).]
Aw there's a method to my madness. I drafted Kukoc so I could strengthen my bench and give Lewis and Miles another season of development. Also I have to say that my trade with Pued should work out wonderfully for me. In the 2nd round I wanted a PG. I probably would have picked Charlie Ward with that pick, but he offered to trade me his 2nd round pick next season and Kenny Anderson for that pick. We all know the Celtics are going to suck this season so that 2nd rounder is more like a 1st rounder. That also will more then likely give me 2 1st rounders and 2 2nd rounders for next seasons draft, and like I said earlier, 1 of those 2nd rounders is almost like a 1st rounder. Thanks to Kukoc and Anderson my team looks like this. Lafrentz/Bradley/Polynice/Ostertag McDyess/Coleman Kukoc/Miles/Manning Starks/Lewis M. Jackson/Anderson/Vaughn I have serious depth on my team, and next season I'll be even deeper with those picks. I was kind of worried about this draft, but it couldn't have worked out better for me. ------------------ Anesthesia, Mona Lisa I've got a little gun here comes oblivion I never loved you, how did you find me? The cops will never prove complicity, now Annaaaaa Allllll goooood childreeeen go to Heaveeeeen
Nice little jab there. Anyway if you looked at my team last year, my roster didn't have any superior scorer other than Malone. Someone had to score, and on most teams, that guy would be the shooting guard. I remember when I saw Jackson slip close to me, I was thinking on whether I should take him or not, and honestly I wasn't going to take him eventhough he produced well last season for me. He's a good replacement for Anderson, but I bet my backup SG (last year) will average the same kind of numbers for my team that Jackson did. I think the best pickup in the draft other then the top 3 is TheCat picking up Stockton and moving Franchise to the SG. Stockton doesn't demand the ball and he's got 3 stars to pass it to in Jamison, Carter, and Francis. Honestly I didn't realize how valuable Stockton was till I let him go from my team. ------------------ Anesthesia, Mona Lisa I've got a little gun here comes oblivion I never loved you, how did you find me? The cops will never prove complicity, now Annaaaaa Allllll goooood childreeeen go to Heaveeeeen
How is the rookie draft going to work? It will likely occur before any of the new rookies have a chance to play in the NBA, right? So is Cat going to rate them according to what scouts are saying? Are there going to be potential "busts" along with unexpected "stars" (Shawn Marion)? ------------------ Give me ambiguity or give me something else. Sign up for season 2 of the CC.net NBA Sim League! http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum12/HTML/000328.html
Cat will rate them on what all the experts says, but I guess as soon as they fail/come through in the real NBA this ratings will also change. btw why worry - I have your rookie pick. j/k ------------------ Join the CC.net NBA Sim ------------------------- Rosters & Stats - Stat requests & Stats - Trade Discussions - Official Trades - Draftinfo
Well, depending on how things are done, I might try to trade for another rookie pick, but I wanted to know the general caliber of players in the rookie draft... and if it would be possible that some of them are total busts. ------------------ Give me ambiguity or give me something else. Sign up for season 2 of the CC.net NBA Sim League! http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum12/HTML/000328.html
I feel like I have to explain this trade for some reason. 1) My team is not going to win offensive show-downs, they will win w/defense and rebounding. Kenny Anderson provided none of that. 2) I need a big, physical player to play the 1 for me, that player is still on the board. 3) I just wanted to move Anderson, he's not the PG for a playoffs team. Too Old and not in the good veteran leadership type of way. 4) I'm in the East, my wins will be inflated versus inferior competition. And if they aren't, I still have the rookie pick and my first rounder next year to rectify the hole at the Point, if a hole still exists next year. ------------------ Founder and President of the Houston Homers Club(HHC) - Are you a homer? Join now! The Rockets will be NBA champions. Believe.
Just out of curiosity. Cat, does the sim actually take into account leadership qualities? For instance, 'Sheed has no leadership qualities, but he is a good player, so does this type of thing affect the sim? Is it a part of the players rating? ------------------ Give me ambiguity or give me something else. Sign up for season 2 of the CC.net NBA Sim League! http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum12/HTML/000328.html
Just out of curiosity. Cat, does the sim actually take into account leadership qualities? Yeah it does, intangibles such as leadership, clutch play, etc. are rated for every player. ------------------ President of the Mo Taylor, Jason Collier, and draft Richard Jefferson fan club! Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more! Sign up for season 2 of the CC.net NBA Sim League! http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum12/HTML/000328.html
Heath: I would really like Camby back, and I have an offer in the drade-discussion thread. I didn't realize how high all of you were on Camby. BTW, I took Wally because he fits the team well and should turn into a great player. In just his second season he averaged 13, 5. ------------------ Never Underestimate the Heart of a Champion
thanks, i was looking to get the guys i gave up back, or guys similar to them. so i chose jim jackson for derek anderson, and travis best for david wesley, both guys i picked up had a little bit better stats than the others, but they played 2 or 3 more minutes also. ------------------ http://www.democrats.com mgh 1925-2001
Here's what I think: #1 Celtics (puedlfor) pick PF/C Theo Ratliff 11pts, 9 reb, 3 blocks, 32 min. good pick. #2 Sixers (Heath) pick PF/C Marcus Camby 10.8 pts, 8.2 reb, 2.15 blocks, 30 min. another good pick. #3 Kings (DVauthrin) pick SG Derek Anderson 16 pts, 5 reb, 3 asst, 29 min. Great pick, I thought Anderson was the third overall best player in the draft, behind the top 2 picks. #4 Pistons (Castor) pick PF Mo Taylor 15.4 pts, 6.8 reb, 27.4 min. here's where things got screwy, on my draft list anyway. Not a bad pick, I just didn't think he would go that high. #5 Wizards (DBC) pick PF/C Jermaine O'Neal 7.8 pts, 8.1 reb, 1.8 blocks, 30 min. Good pick. I thought O'Neal would either go this high or slip a little, because of his numbers. #6 Nets (CriscoKidd) pick PF Brian Grant 11.4 pts, 9.7 reb, 32 min. I was a little stunned here. I expected Mo or maybe even O'Neal to be available. I needed someone to bolster my line D and rebounds, so it was either Fortson or Grant. I know Fortson had better numbers, but I like Grant more. #7 Knicks (Johny Rocket) pick C Patrick Ewing depends on how much longer Ewing plays and how padded his stats were before this can be a good or bad pick. I wouldn't have made it though. #8 Rockets (The Cat) pick PG John Stockton 13.8 pts, 8.2 asst, 31 min. The more I think about it, the more this pick surprises me. Strange line-up. I can't wait to beat up on John though. 9. Grizzlies (from Sixers 55-27) (Nomar - 9th)- Danny Fortson: Good pickup for Nomar, imo. Nice roleplayer to compliment his stud lineup. We'll see if he can continue his production though 10. Nets(from Raptors 57-25) (Crisco - 10th)- Scottie Pippen : I didn't want him dammit! but he was the best sf available, and imo, the best player available, so i snagged him. I was strongly considering Kukoc though. 11. Bucks 58-24 (Ren D - 11th)- Vlade Divac : well, Ren needed a center and while it's debatable whether or not Vlade was the best center available, it wasn't a bad pick. 12. Sonics 58-24 (RunninRaven - 12th)- Eric Snow: a solid tall pg that plays decent D. Not as high as I would have expected, but a good pickup. 13. Spurs 60-22 (dc rock - 13th)- Jim Jackson: I thought this was a good pick. Jackson can produce. 14. Wolves 62-20 (vj23k - 14th)- Wally Szczerbiak: If I was drafting a sf for the future, this is who I would pick. 15. Lakers 62-20 (fadeaway - 15th)- Glen Rice: good pick. Glen Rice can really put up some numbers if he gets PT. 16. Jazz 72-10 (BGM - 16th)- Toni Kukoc: what's up? I though Lewis was going to play SF! An ok pick. All BGM'z threads are belong to CriscoKidd. 17. Mavs 76-6 (VOR - 17th)- Dale Davis: good garbage man, little undersized for center though(if that's what you plan on using him for) 18. Blazers 78-4 (Smeg - 18th)- Marc Jackson: good pickup Smeg needs Center size to compliment Wallace. ------------------ snap crackle pop [This message has been edited by CriscoKidd (edited May 02, 2001).]
I thought your choice of Camby over ONeal was the right one, Heath. I had ONeal on my squad last season starting as the center, and I was not at all impressed. His rebounding and shot blocking were not as high as I had hoped, and Camby had the guy beat in both areas handily. I would not have expected Snow to be picked as high either, but since I traded away my cornerstone player in Payton, I badly needed a competent 1 to run my offense... and he was the best available. If I had not been in so desperate need for a PG, I think I would have taken Scerbiak or someone of his caliber. ------------------ Give me ambiguity or give me something else. Sign up for season 2 of the CC.net NBA Sim League! http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum12/HTML/000328.html
