CBS Sportsline: Underrated/overrated: Marbury, Stackhouse top lists

I don't know if the overrated team is all that overrated. Every single one of thoe guys gets a lot of grief from fans for being... well, overrated.

 

Kirilenko underated?

Puh-leeze. People need to get off his nuts.


I guess putting up good numbers on a bad team automatically makes you overrated.

Bibby was overrated by some last year because of his playoff run, but he is very good.

I don't think anyone overrates Wally.

this list is freaking stupid.

 

Who?

 

We at CC will often debate how much influence a coach actually has upon his team. However, IMO there's only one reason Jason Williams is on an underrated list - Hubie Brown.

 

Wally Sirbiatch and Ugly Mike are definitely as overrated as they come.

These two guys would be bench warming scrubs if they did not have Garnett or Webber.

 

ok, CriscoKidd, make a list, then:

underrated (in no particular order, and with no rating based on salary):

Marbury: i definitely agree, especially considering that people seem to forget how young he is.

Tayshaun Prince: Not sure if this counts as underrated (because everyone acknowledges him as a surprise), but I think he is more than a surprise....considering what he accomplished in the playoffs with a crappy offense. his dribble...his ability to get a shot off (SFs had trouble against him)...and that confidence he exudes.

Jalen Rose: I still don't get why people let Isiah Thomas's childish bashing of Rose get in the way of Rose being far superior to Odom. The guy is a fighter, and Larry Bird proved it. Unfortunately, with Pippen on the Bulls, will they let Rose be a point forward again, or not? Maybe there is something to Rose's attitude, but imo, he's a fighter like Van Exel who just needs to compete in the playoffs...he'll play to win.

Bonzi Wells--Another incredible fighter...and still 26 yrs old...the same age as Ginobili. Could you imagine if Ginobili could actually score on his own like Wells...people would be calling Gino a god and making calling him a HOFer to be.

Ben Wallace--I know...not that big of a deal....but this is more about how *much* I like him, and how high I rate him. He is as disruptive of force on defense as they come. He is as underrated by the media and fans as defense is as a whole. People say "defense wins," but people seem to want to talk about offense all the time while saying "with zones, you need shooters more than defense," as if the concept of zones amplifying the effect of great defenders never dawned on them.

He's only 28yr old. He keeps this up for another 5 seasons and he'll clear 10,000 and 2,200 blocks by age 33...which imo, starts making him a candidate for HOF. Then again, Rodman will never make the HOF...so? Also, the presence of Ben Wallace is going to make life much easier for Darko and a relatively frail looking Tayshaun Prince.

Overrated

SAR--I agree with the article.

Richard Jefferson--not much need to explain, if you think Kidd is an MVP candidate.

Peja Stoyakovich--worst differential in FG% in regular season vs playoffs I've seen in awhile, especially when you discount 1st round matchups that the Kings just school all around. He had a good series against Utah last year, but I'm not sure if he's ever had another one. In big playoff series, he routinely gets shut down big time. I once tallied his playoff % at 29% for elimination series and 39% overall.

Ginobili--How long did people write about his left-handed reverse slams and left-handed no look passes, before they realized that he is left handed,,,hehe. He is a good player, great fighter type, creative passer who probably won't get to use it much as main playmaker, so why is he on my overrated list. It boils down to his flashiness and the fact he doesn't really get guarded are making people call him a star beyond reproach. Gino is not a "Great" defender, and his offense (when you get passed the flashiness) is not much better than Shane Battier. Despite loving to have him on my team, he's overrated in my book, because I don't see him on a track to stardom at age 26. Can you imagine Battier playing with Duncan?

If Gino becomes the shooter than Battier is and the more controlled positional defender Battier is, then I'll take him off my list.

Francis--For very similar reasons to Gino, but on a different level. Gino's flashiness has him rated a star. Francis's flashiness has him rated as an All-Star, Olympian and future HOFer. Also, if Marbury is on the underrated list, it is largely because Francis is overrated.

 

Maybe I missed something. When did Francis become an Olympian?

 

Rasheed Wallace should be #1 on the overrated list.

 

I would trade Cuttino for any one of those players on the overated list.

DD

 

overrated starting 5:

chris webber (horrible footwork and a coward in the clutch)
peja stojakovic (jump shooter that can't go left)
michael olowokandi (what the???? has he ever done?)
steve francis (pg that can't run a fast break? as much brains as playoff exp.)
richard jefferson (no jumpshot, avg. handles, yet an olympian & future star?)

underrated starting 5:

elton brand (blue collar hero)
jermaine o'neal (i don't care about the "east"...o'neal has the full package)
jalen rose (good call heypee...rose is odom off of drugs)
ray allen (mislabeled as a jump shooter. allen has a complete game)
jamaal mashburn (good lord. mash is one of the 5 toughest covers in the nba)

 

I am suprised that no one has mentioned Antoine Walker. With his contract, he has to be at the top of a list.

Overrated:

Walker
Peja
Francis
Big Dog

Underrated:

Gasol (total package also, even though hes young)
Christie (one of the reasons why Sac is one of the best D teams)
Magloire (the modern day Oakley)
Nash (I know he was an all-star, but I don't think people realize that without him, Dallas would be closer to use than SA; their offense is based on the things he does)

 

mmmm kay,

so maybe its Olowokandi's fault that blue collar hero hasn't done anything

I can name an NBA team fan board on the internet where elton brand is highly overrated. Especially since he gets praise for putting up numbers even though those numbers have translated into no winning seasons while that same team's star player gets constantly bashed for not carrying his team to 50 game winning seasons on teams with less talent.

If you equated wins to elton brand's intelligence, he would be in the state funny farm.

 

overrated, especially by himself:

Kenyon Martin

Would not put up half the numbers if he didn't have Jason Kidd. Max contract? Please...

 

I said "rated" as an Olympian/HOFer to be. OK, nevermind. I'll take that back.

xiki,

remember...it's unfair to pick apart someone's list without making your own list.

here's a question to start people thinking:

<b>How do you measure Over/Underrated?</b>

my philosophy is that if the league reshuffled and the teams went through a draft of all the players for one season of play (eliminating potential from the equation), you can measure overrated and underrated by how high they'd be selected vs the media mock drafts.

so it is a matter of degree...who would get selected much differently in a real draft vs mock drafts for just one season of play.

Despite Wallace being a fantasy league lotto pick, my guess is that NBA coaches would select Wallace higher than what a lot of people would predict in a real draft. I wouldn't be surprised if he was a real lotto pick (1st 2nd tier player selected at any position), but I'd suspect a lot of fans to pass him up for scorers. For one season of play, Wallace is the type of player you can build a team around, moreso than the second tier SGs/PGs/SFs like Ray Allen/Steve Francis/SAR.

Peja is a miserable playoff player. Check it out.

 

olowokandi is generally regarded as one of the top centers in the nba. i've heard him referenced as high as #2 in the league. this is ridiculous. dude is a lazy, sullen, malcontent that has yet to put up a season worthy of the praise many give him.

brand has never had a team halfway capable of winning games. but, if you watch, he is the hardest worker on the court. he hustles, blocks shots, rebounds well, can score, and never, ever, ever complains. he just does whatever he can to help his team win.

forget the wins versus losses, pgab. those factors are influenced by their teammates, and neither of these guys are what i would call true "franchise players". i'm talking about their game. namely, that brand always brings his, and olowokandi seldom brings his yet is held in high regard.

 

hp -
Just a rhetorical question...assuming salaries would work (ignoring SF's BYC) and the Rox shipped out Francis and Rice for Rose...

Could you (and/or JVG) live with these players as the primary Guard and Small Forward rotation?

Mobley / Pike / Rose / AGriffin / Nachbar / (Hawkins)